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Kuminatcha

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Burning oil
« on: July 15, 2013, 01:14:56 PM »

Just put about 2,000 miles on my SERK since the 1000 service and had to add a quart of oil already. Needed to add about another 1/4 of a quart but left it alone. Dealership said maybe they didn't fill it up all the way after the service. Question is do these 110's burn this much oil under normal riding conditions?
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2013, 02:02:28 PM »

I have 7,000 miles on my 2013 110 and have not had any issues with oil consumption yet
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2013, 02:07:31 PM »

my 07 and 08 SEUCs both used about that much, my 09 only used about a pint in 4,000 mi apparently oil usage is similar to valve train noise some do and some don't.
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2013, 02:13:55 PM »

Just put about 2,000 miles on my SERK since the 1000 service and had to add a quart of oil already. Needed to add about another 1/4 of a quart but left it alone. Dealership said maybe they didn't fill it up all the way after the service. Question is do these 110's burn this much oil under normal riding conditions?


Even if you have your oil changes performed at the dealership or by someone else, you should always double check several things.  Oil level before and after your first ride after an oil change,  oil drain plug(s) for being tight and oil filter for being tight before you ride, and checking for leaks after your first ride.  You wouldn't be the first to have a drain plug installed only finger tight or an oil tank without any oil put in after it being drained.  I'm not trying to be facetious but only saying this to prevent you from destroying an engine.  This also lets you know exactly where your oil level was on the stick to determine if and how much oil your bike is using.
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2013, 02:19:15 PM »


Even if you have your oil changes performed at the dealership or by someone else, you should always double check several things.  Oil level before and after your first ride after an oil change,  oil drain plug(s) for being tight and oil filter for being tight before you ride


If willing to and able to do all that yourself just change it yourself.  I you truly don't feel the shop can be trusted to do these basics at an oil change then pick a different shop.
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2013, 04:31:34 PM »

If willing to and able to do all that yourself just change it yourself.  I you truly don't feel the shop can be trusted to do these basics at an oil change then pick a different shop.

I agree with you completely.  Trouble is that some shops have a high turnover rate with their maintenance techs on the lower levels of maintenance, oil changes, tires, etc.  The senior technicians that are experienced and capable aren't doing these mundane tasks at a lot of shops.  They are assigned the maintenance tasks more suited to their skills and experience.  Everyone should be able to perform their own basic maintenance tasks like oil changes, that or be at the mercy of somebody that might or might not be attentive to details like tightening the drain plug.  I'm only speaking from my own experiences from two of the closest dealerships in my area.  That is why I don't go to them any more and do it myself.
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2013, 06:12:39 PM »

I know without a doubt that my bike is not leaking oil. The only things it can be is 1) it's burning it or 2) they didn't fill it correctly.
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2013, 06:31:20 PM »

Just put about 2,000 miles on my SERK since the 1000 service and had to add a quart of oil already. Needed to add about another 1/4 of a quart but left it alone. Dealership said maybe they didn't fill it up all the way after the service. Question is do these 110's burn this much oil under normal riding conditions?

Quick answer: no
Run 3 or 3.5 quarts in the tank, ride it, check to see if it goes lower.
Maybe check the plugs to see if there's any oil on them.
If that doesn't work, you may have to look deeper.
One other thought, you can pull the air cleaner, open the butterfly and see if there's any oil residue on the intake track. I've seen this before with guide and seal issues and excess blow by through the breathers into the intake.
Depending on your intake.
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« Last Edit: July 15, 2013, 06:33:26 PM by HOGMIKE »
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2013, 07:17:09 PM »

I know without a doubt that my bike is not leaking oil. The only things it can be is 1) it's burning it or 2) they didn't fill it correctly.

I assume you didn't verify the oil level after the dealer did the service (good lesson, always verify before you leave the shop).  So rather than try to make a diagnosis without all the facts, I'd suggest you start your own consumption test to see just how much oil you really are consuming.  Record the current odometer reading and fill the oil tank to the level you normally would (some prefer the full mark, some like me like to run 8 to 16 ounces less to avoid carryover into the air cleaner).  Ride the bike the way you normally do, and check the oil every 500 miles.  Record the odometer reading and the level on the dipstick.  Don't add oil unless it drops to the Add mark on the stick, and record any oil added along with the odometer reading.  If you notice consumption is running 1000 miles or less per quart, see the dealer ASAP.  Otherwise, continue your test until it's time for the next change and review your data with the dealership.

Hopefully you will find that under controlled conditions your consumption is much less than you first feared.  And btw, the answer to your original question is NO, it's not normal to consume 1.25 quarts of oil in 2000 miles.  However, Harley will try to tell you that 1000 miles per quart is "normal".  It isn't, and it also isn't acceptable.

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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2013, 07:27:43 PM »

It may be entering the engine via the head breathers.
You can remove your air filter, and take a peak in the t/body to see if there is evidence of an over-abundance of oil in there.
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2013, 11:04:42 PM »

Last fall on a trip we took to Wisconsin, I checked the oil on the start of the second day, and came to find that I was a quart and a quarter low. After adding a quart I continued to watch the level, extremely close, and it used about a quart per 1000 miles. Upon return to home and to the dealer, they tore th ebike down and told me the ring were lined up incorrectly so they replaced the rings. While the bike was into the shop I had them add new cams. I have 1500 miles on since the and I'm a quarter quart low again I'll be watching this close as we are leaving for our summer trip on Friday.

As said before watch close and figure out how fast your losing oil less than a quart /1000 the dealer may not do anything.

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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2013, 02:37:15 PM »

As part of my deal with the dealer, I get all scheduled service done for 3 years.  They sweetened the deal by letting me cut the service interval in half.  This means I get my oil changed every 2500 miles.  Before I parked the bike last fall at 7500 miles, I was adding a quart between changes.  I don't know where it went because it wasn't burning it (plugs looked great) and it wasn't venting through the air cleaner.  Since I have been riding this season, with 3,000 miles on it, I have put 6 oz in, and that was only because I was doing a long ride with lots of highway miles planned.  I will keep an eye on it, but it seems to have improved.     
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2013, 07:24:23 PM »

   2011 SESG, 14,500 miles and uses no more than 1/4 qt between changes so far..  I ride hard.. But I also use Lucas oil supplement. 
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2013, 05:51:03 AM »

As part of my deal with the dealer, I get all scheduled service done for 3 years.  They sweetened the deal by letting me cut the service interval in half.  This means I get my oil changed every 2500 miles.  Before I parked the bike last fall at 7500 miles, I was adding a quart between changes.  I don't know where it went because it wasn't burning it (plugs looked great) and it wasn't venting through the air cleaner.  Since I have been riding this season, with 3,000 miles on it, I have put 6 oz in, and that was only because I was doing a long ride with lots of highway miles planned.  I will keep an eye on it, but it seems to have improved.     

The only place the engine breathes is thru heads, into the t/body, which at that point the continual oil mist will be consumed, ie emmissions.
Doubt like hell the rings were the root issue.
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Re: Burning oil
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2013, 08:17:14 PM »

Just put about 2,000 miles on my SERK since the 1000 service and had to add a quart of oil already. Needed to add about another 1/4 of a quart but left it alone. Dealership said maybe they didn't fill it up all the way after the service. Question is do these 110's burn this much oil under normal riding conditions?

Like others have posted, you might want to keep an eye on it yourself after the next oil change, when you get it up to temp (right after the oil change) check it for a "baseline" then check it however often that you feel comfortable with to establish consumption (if any). Some people only put about 3-1/2 qts in the 110s

1/2qt per 1k mi is too much for me. The '05 (103) used about 3/4 qt between changes until about 10k then it quit using any oil.

Got the '09 last summer w/2,420 on it and it used no oil at all between changes.
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