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[SmokeyJoe]

Hope this is in the right area.

So I have a 2012 RGC CVO with the 110 Fullsac headpipe, 2" baffles and the TTS tune.  My problem is of recently:

The engine seems to hesitate at idle and at around 2300 RPM's.  It is sporadic and not easy to duplicate, ultamatly it will probably go into the shop.  But I am just looking for ideas on what to look for before I spend my time at the dealer.  Any and all ideas are welcome.
Thanx

[CowboyBagger]

Call Steve at Fullsac and he will probably change your map a little and cure your problem.

Cowboy

[D-N-D]

Call Steve X2

[SmokeyJoe]

Well I just went out to the bike and the battery is completely dead.  Can the voltage regulator cause the hesitations.  The reason I ask is last year after my 1000 mile service the VR went out, and just a few hundred miles ago I had my 5K service.

[SmokeyJoe]

Bike was brought to the dealer today and he says it may be the VR.  Will post when i know.

[SmokeyJoe]

So far the mechanic found a bad TPS and a bad sensor on the intake manifold, said he had to replace the entire manifold.  He said there is still one more issue he needs to sort out.

[SmokeyJoe]

So today I wen tto pick the bike up, and it fell flat on its face about 2 miles from the dealer.  The dealer changed a system relay in the fuse box and cleaned the intake.  The mech had two observations of it hesitating or stalling but could not simulate and there were no codes to be read.  He is goign to order the TPS as he did not replace it like he said he would.  I think they did not replace it because he did not have one in hand.  He also may suspect the tune, I am really doubtful of the tune since I have been riding for so long with this tune.  The hesitations occur at around 2200RPM and at a stop when idling, today was actually worse than before in that it almost dies or probably would without my throttle input.

Anyone???

[SteveO]

Bike will start to misfire and hesitate if battery is dying or the voltage regulator is bad or both.  

Sounds like the tune may be having a problem once the bike warms up, and goes to the next step in the map, something is missing or goofed up in the map.  Have you cleared the TTS back to stock to see if it does the same thing?  Try loading the current map again, or pick another map and try it. Make sure you have a fully charged battery when installing the map, or it will not load properly and cause some of the symptoms you are experiencing.

Also, the Fullsak setup like many others open pipe systems kill the low end driveability and torque.  May have to dynotune to get the hesitation out.  You also need back pressure for low end smoothness and driveability, like Supertrapp Mufflers provide.

[SmokeyJoe]

Bike will start to misfire and hesitate if battery is dying or the voltage regulator is bad or both.  

Sounds like the tune may be having a problem once the bike warms up, and goes to the next step in the map, something is missing or goofed up in the map.  Have you cleared the TTS back to stock to see if it does the same thing?  Try loading the current map again, or pick another map and try it. Make sure you have a fully charged battery when installing the map, or it will not load properly and cause some of the symptoms you are experiencing.

Also, the Fullsak setup like many others open pipe systems kill the low end driveability and torque.  May have to dynotune to get the hesitation out.  You also need back pressure for low end smoothness and driveability, like Supertrapp Mufflers provide.

The mechanic fully charged the battery and checked the charging system and said all was OK, he also checked the VR to see if it was affected by the recall. 

My current map is one I got from Steve at Fullsac and has been on the bike without issue for about 1500 miles, the map prior to this one had some decel pop.  I have not gone through the V-Tune process.  The mechanic is suggesting that maybe I put the factory tune in as well if the throttle position sensor does not work.  I am not sure what to expect with the stock tune with a header pipe and 2" baffles, how will it run or will it even run???  If in fact the TPS does not work out, I will do as you suggest and try the previous tune I got from Fullsac.  Is it even possible that a tune can get goofed up, in my simple mind I can't see how that can happen???

I suppose I shot myself in the foot by not doing the VTUNE, now this is an unknown varible that may or may not be affecting drivability???

I did learn something interesting though.  The mechanic told me they cannot tune a US bike or hook up some special tool that they use to tune with.  There are only certain dealers here in Germany with the ability to tune US bikes.  That being said, they cannot determine if I have retuned the bike so for routine maintenance they will not flag my bike at this dealer.  Problem lies if there is something more serious with the bike and they need to send it to the other dealer.

[Fullsac Performance]

So today I wen tto pick the bike up, and it fell flat on its face about 2 miles from the dealer.  The dealer changed a system relay in the fuse box and cleaned the intake.  The mech had two observations of it hesitating or stalling but could not simulate and there were no codes to be read.  He is going to order the TPS as he did not replace it like he said he would.  I think they did not replace it because he did not have one in hand.  He also may suspect the tune, I am really doubtful of the tune since I have been riding for so long with this tune.  The hesitations occur at around 2200RPM and at a stop when idling, today was actually worse than before in that it almost dies or probably would without my throttle input.

Anyone???

Joe

Calibrations in the ECM do not change over time. If you had a tuning issue it would have been there the first time you rode the bike.
Dead battery is a red flag for sure. EFI systems will not operate correctly with out proper voltage from the batter and charging system. Intermittent stalling can be related to voltage drop and many other electrical issues. Hopefully your dealer can sort it out and get you back on the road.

Steve

[Fullsac Performance]

Bike will start to misfire and hesitate if battery is dying or the voltage regulator is bad or both.  

Sounds like the tune may be having a problem once the bike warms up, and goes to the next step in the map, something is missing or goofed up in the map.  Have you cleared the TTS back to stock to see if it does the same thing?  Try loading the current map again, or pick another map and try it. Make sure you have a fully charged battery when installing the map, or it will not load properly and cause some of the symptoms you are experiencing.

Also, the Fullsak setup like many others open pipe systems kill the low end driveability and torque. May have to dynotune to get the hesitation out.  You also need back pressure for low end smoothness and driveability, like Supertrapp Mufflers provide.

SteveO

I would ask you to do a little more research on the performance results of my product line before making any additional
statements referencing power loss associated with my Exhaust. I attached a recent stock VS Stage I dyno chart from a 2012 CVO 110 demonstrating a substantial TQ gain in the "low end" area to help you out. The only parts installed were my DX Pipe and a pair of 2.0 muffler cores. ECM was re calibrated with TTS tuning software. Experienced tuners would note an exceptional shape to the TQ curve along with a 18 FT gain in torque at 3200 as being pretty decent if not industry leading.

Steve George
Fullsac Performance

[SteveO]

Please allow me to rephrase my statement from first hand personal experience:

"most open pipe systems kill the low end driveability and torque with out being properly tuned" 

[SmokeyJoe]

Well I got the bike back today, it appears it is running OK.  They replaced the TPS in the hand grip. 

[Fullsac Performance]

Well I got the bike back today, it appears it is running OK.  They replaced the TPS in the hand grip. 

Awesome!

SG

[SmokeyJoe]

Oh I forgot to mention - when they did the repair and took off the fender the magnet to the speaker fell out of the fairing.  It was just broken off.   I would say hard to believe, but....