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[skratch]

The Chieftain appears to have as much or more chrome as a 2012 CVO Street Glide while costing 10k less.

 And Indian feels so strongly about these new bikes that they are willing to back them for 5 years not just two.

2 pts:  first, chrome won't get you home   there is more to a cvo than just chrome, as i'm sure you know.

secondly, the indian comes with a 1 year warranty.  they are giving you a 4 yr extended warranty, which i'm sure is like harleys esp.  backed by an insurance company, not indian.  plus, i still think that them giving you the 4 year esp is a new model introductory sales gimmick.  after they've been around the block a time or two, they'll be passing that charge on to the consumer.

[CowboyBagger]

It's way too early to tell, but from the reviews that I've read, they are saying that the 111 is better engineered and will be more reliable than the 110. 

I've just spent a ton of money on my 110 to make it a more reliable engine.  Add that to the cost of our bikes and then compare. 

I agree with several on here:  the fairing, saddlebags and fenders are FUGLY!

Cowboy

[Midnight Rider]

Are these 3 new Indians softails?  

No, they are not "softails" in the traditional sense of the word...as in HD's design.  They are monoshock designs, which is light years different.  Look at almost any sport bike...they are practically ALL monoshock designs (I can't think of one that's not, in fact).  Several "cruiser" style bikes use a monoshock, including Victory and Star, just to name two.

Here's a simplistic image of a typical monoshock design with a single sided swingarm like you'd see on a Ducati or similar bike.  They can be made much easier to adjust...in the case of the Indian design, it apparently has an air adjustable preload, but I don't know if it allows damping adjustments.

[North Georgia Hawg]

No, they are not "softails" in the traditional sense of the word...as in HD's design.  They are monoshock designs, which is light years different.  Look at almost any sport bike...they are practically ALL monoshock designs (I can't think of one that's not, in fact).  Several "cruiser" style bikes use a monoshock, including Victory and Star, just to name two.

Here's a simplistic image of a typical monoshock design with a single sided swingarm like you'd see on a Ducati or similar bike.  They can be made much easier to adjust...in the case of the Indian design, it apparently has an air adjustable preload, but I don't know if it allows damping adjustments.

Yep... The modern mono shock design should make them handle very well. Damping adjustment would seem to be needed too... but like you I don't know if the capability is there.

It's way too early to tell, but from the reviews that I've read, they are saying that the 111 is better engineered and will be more reliable than the 110. 

I've just spent a ton of money on my 110 to make it a more reliable engine.  Add that to the cost of our bikes and then compare. 

I agree with several on here:  the fairing, saddlebags and fenders are FUGLY!

Cowboy

The engine is Polaris' version of an S&S X-Wedge... With a shared intake cam, separate exhaust cams, and parallel pushrods. Looks to be a solid design that should be reliable and produce a lot of usable power. And, the cams are gear-driven, so no cam chain tensioner issues.

I wonder what their crankshaft runout tolerances are??? Probably well under Harley's... but that sure ain't sayin' much!

Ken

[Black Diamond]

Some pics forward to me by buddy @ Sturgis.  I'll try not to mess up on the models

Chief Classic

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Classic #2

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Classic #3

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Chief Vintage

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Vintage #2

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Vintage #3

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Vintage #4

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Vintage Blue  (for Dood)

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Blue #2

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Blue #3

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Chieftain