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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2013, 11:42:29 AM »

Looks good. Is the 2 into 1 the V&H pro pipe?

What does the bike sound like?
Did you notice an improvement in performance?

I have a 2012 CVO Street Glide and thinking of a 2 into 1 system.

Thanks Nick

Pipes are D&D Fatcats with performance baffle which means they are loud, but baffle selection was based on dyno results and these baffles produced the best hp and torque numbers in the rpm range I ride in.

The D&D Fatcat has an excellent reputation for producing power and torque where you want it.  However, the new 2:1:2 systems are pretty good too.  If I had a new bike, I think I'd go with cat less head pipes and baffle inserts for the stock cans.  Full sac is a reputable supplier of such parts.  Good luck with your selection.
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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2013, 01:25:16 PM »

Pipes are D&D Fatcats with performance baffle which means they are loud, but baffle selection was based on dyno results and these baffles produced the best hp and torque numbers in the rpm range I ride in.

The D&D Fatcat has an excellent reputation for producing power and torque where you want it.  However, the new 2:1:2 systems are pretty good too.  If I had a new bike, I think I'd go with cat less head pipes and baffle inserts for the stock cans.  Full sac is a reputable supplier of such parts.  Good luck with your selection.


I agree the Fullsac 2-1-2 pipes are excellent performers... I had them on the Honey Badger for about 9 months before I decided to go with the Drago's 2-1, and many of my friends run the Fullsac system. But in my mind, nothing beats a 2-1 system for total performance. I found that my Drago's 2-1 needed longer-duration cams than the Andrews 54H cams that performed so well with the Fullsac system. But longer-duration cams tend to move the torque curve to the right, which people who like a lot of low-RPM torque don't like.

Also, 2-1 pipes are more difficult to tune with, because they have an inherent dip in the VE tables that I call "the lake" since it shows up in blue in the VE table charts in MasterTune. My dip is most pronounced around 2000 RPM to about 2750 RPM, in the 40-60 kPa range. We encountered it when tuning the HB, and it's even shown in the TTS tuning guide. Mr. Wizard was able to bring it up some with EGR manipulation and who-knows-what else he did. He won't let me talk to him while he's doing his "wizard" thing! New timing tables from the TTS cal for a "race pipe" and SE 260 cams (can't remember the cal number) helped a bunch too, and transformed "the lake" into more of "the swamp"... not quite so blue!

I can't wait for the new TTS Timing Assist support to become available, so we can get the timing tables dialed in even better.

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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2013, 01:59:48 PM »

I agree the Fullsac 2-1-2 pipes are excellent performers... I had them on the Honey Badger for about 9 months before I decided to go with the Drago's 2-1, and many of my friends run the Fullsac system. But in my mind, nothing beats a 2-1 system for total performance. I found that my Drago's 2-1 needed longer-duration cams than the Andrews 54H cams that performed so well with the Fullsac system. But longer-duration cams tend to move the torque curve to the right, which people who like a lot of low-RPM torque don't like.

Also, 2-1 pipes are more difficult to tune with, because they have an inherent dip in the VE tables that I call "the lake" since it shows up in blue in the VE table charts in MasterTune. My dip is most pronounced around 2000 RPM to about 2750 RPM, in the 40-60 kPa range. We encountered it when tuning the HB, and it's even shown in the TTS tuning guide. Mr. Wizard was able to bring it up some with EGR manipulation and who-knows-what else he did. He won't let me talk to him while he's doing his "wizard" thing! New timing tables from the TTS cal for a "race pipe" and SE 260 cams (can't remember the cal number) helped a bunch too, and transformed "the lake" into more of "the swamp"... not quite so blue!

I can't wait for the new TTS Timing Assist support to become available, so we can get the timing tables dialed in even better.

Ken
I like your 'explanation, Ken.  :2vrolijk_21: You've got a knack for teaching.  spyder
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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2013, 02:42:09 PM »

I like your 'explanation, Ken.  :2vrolijk_21: You've got a knack for teaching.  spyder

Thanks, Spydy! I'm certainly no expert, but I have had some good teachers and have tried to learn from them. I like to develop an understanding of the theory of how machines work.

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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2013, 02:49:14 PM »

I like your 'explanation, Ken.  :2vrolijk_21: You've got a knack for teaching.  spyder


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At MV 2014 I will have a larger tent so Ken can park under there next to my bike.
I figure if I can keep him close I can help keep HB clean.
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Ken may have a knack for teaching but the HB parked next to mine will learn a little about,
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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2013, 03:32:54 PM »

Yeah, he's got ole Honey B lookin' good.. :-*..got to keep her clean now.  :smilie_eimer: :bath: har.  spyder
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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2013, 01:22:58 AM »


Spyd

At MV 2014 I will have a larger tent so Ken can park under there next to my bike.
I figure if I can keep him close I can help keep HB clean.
Honey Badger may not give a chit but if it's parking next to one of mine she will be clean.
Ken may have a knack for teaching but the HB parked next to mine will learn a little about,
"What can shine, will shine!

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I do have pictures of HB dirty, don't make me post them.




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If I can EVER get Honey Badger HALF as clean as you keep your Beautiful Blues, I will be doing quite well indeed!

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P.S. - She's pretty clean right now... back in Georgia in the Badger Den garage. I have ridden a grand total of ONCE since Maggie Valley.  :'(  I flew back out to Seattle this evening and just got to my apartment. Will be out here for two weeks, heading home on Nov 1 for the weekend. This "two weeks out, back home every other weekend" crap will keep up likely til the end of the year. Ugggggh...  :(
 
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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2013, 04:47:22 PM »

Looks AWESOME, Pete! Welcome to the Fake Pipe Club! Baggers just don't look right to me with just one pipe:2vrolijk_21:

Ken

Agreed - it would be like a bagger only having one bag...
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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2013, 05:30:48 PM »

Agreed - it would be like a bagger only having one bag...
Or a V-Twin missing a cylinder.  ::) spyder
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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2013, 01:57:25 PM »


Spyd

At MV 2014 I will have a larger tent so Ken can park under there next to my bike.
I figure if I can keep him close I can help keep HB clean.
Honey Badger may not give a chit but if it's parking next to one of mine she will be clean.
Ken may have a knack for teaching but the HB parked next to mine will learn a little about,
"What can shine, will shine!

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I do have pictures of HB dirty, don't make me post them.



CHIP, YOU PROMISED ME THE TENT SO YOU CAN KEEP MINE CLEAN!!!
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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2013, 02:32:57 PM »

CHIP, YOU PROMISED ME THE TENT SO YOU CAN KEEP MINE CLEAN!!!
Taz

Hey Buddy, no problem.
There will be a tent for you and Mike!

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Re: Ghost Pipe Installed!
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2013, 07:00:13 PM »

Pipes are D&D Fatcats with performance baffle which means they are loud, but baffle selection was based on dyno results and these baffles produced the best hp and torque numbers in the rpm range I ride in.

The D&D Fatcat has an excellent reputation for producing power and torque where you want it.  However, the new 2:1:2 systems are pretty good too.  If I had a new bike, I think I'd go with cat less head pipes and baffle inserts for the stock cans.  Full sac is a reputable supplier of such parts.  Good luck with your selection.


Have the same set up and love it....
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