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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2014, 10:27:05 AM »

Cracked basket will create weird starting issues. I watched one that was cranking and the clutch can slip a minor amount and and it will try to kick back and you get the cough.  Glad to hear they are taking car of the issue. Hope that sorts it out :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2014, 11:52:53 AM »

What Dealer? The boys at Sweetwater hooked me up last Oct...
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2014, 08:06:14 PM »

Evolution Industries makes a stouter basket if you were interested in beefing it up. That's not the first clutch basket that has broken especially with a higher performance motor. Glad you got to the source!
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2014, 12:16:03 AM »

Evolution Industries makes a stouter basket if you were interested in beefing it up. That's not the first clutch basket that has broken especially with a higher performance motor. Glad you got to the source!
Since they are covering it under warranty I will hope this one holds. They did get the part from the east coast and overnighted it so I should be "back on the road" by tomorrow night which is awesome!
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2014, 12:04:58 PM »

Sadunbar has been right on with any questions or problems I have had in the past, and I have appreciated his help!
One thing I find funny is the Factory came out with a new compensator this year.  My 13 Road Glide sounds like it wants to keep running when I shut her down at times, and I will bet dollars to donuts its the compensator.   Thankful its still under warrenty.
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2014, 11:40:26 PM »

Sadunbar was right on the money! Picked it up today and it is perfect. I started and stopped it about 20 times throughout the day without any issue. I do appreciate the dealer taking care of me and appreciate all the help here..
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2014, 12:48:04 PM »

Sadunbar was right on the money! Picked it up today and it is perfect. I started and stopped it about 20 times throughout the day without any issue. I do appreciate the dealer taking care of me and appreciate all the help here..

So, replacing the Comp and the Clutch Basket fixed it?
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2014, 01:49:54 PM »


Finding the real root cause (compensator), as opposed to blaming a tune that worked fine before, seems to have solved another problem. :o  It's amazing how finding and fixing mechanical or electrical problems, as opposed to trying to cover them up with tuning "tweaks", seems to work so much better than starting at the wrong end of the equation.  There's another thread that was recently updated where many people tried to tell someone it was a tune problem (high idle when hot) when it turned out to be a defective sensor once the owner found a place to do proper diagnostics. 

I'm glad your problem has been correctly solved SDCVO and you didn't waste a lot of time and effort trying to get Bob to somehow "tune out" a mechanical defect.
 
Just my two cents and semi-rant for the day. 

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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2014, 03:14:25 PM »

Rant on  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2014, 05:17:07 PM »

Absolutely, keep on ranting common sense, we all need a dose of it at times
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2014, 08:59:14 PM »

Rant on.  Rant off.  I know it's not polite to make fun of my accent; but what the hell, go ahead.  At least I'm taller than Mr. Miyagi.
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2014, 11:30:12 PM »

So, replacing the Comp and the Clutch Basket fixed it?
Yes, went for another couple hundred miles today and the problem is completely gone. Started immediately every time even in gear at stoplights in gear with the cloth pulled (just making sure...)
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2015, 04:09:38 PM »

It either fires up immediately or does the backfire/cough smoke deal regardless if i roll the throttle a bit or not. It definitely has got much worse over time. Taking it in first thing tomorrow and will report back if the compensator fixes it or not. Obviously hoping thats the problem.
That seems to indicate a timing (fuel and ignition) issue caused by a crappy compensator. It's amazing to see a super slow motion video of the compensator in action during cranking a higher compression build...even with auto compression releases.

The only reason I would tend to feel this way is because it is wayyyy intermittent and getting worse over time.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2015, 04:23:42 PM by Fired00d »
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2015, 05:33:35 PM »

Having the same issue with my 2013 cvo RG. Can someone explain the fuel/timing issue and how it relates to the bad compensator. I am not doubting the outcome, just need to understand it. Thanks Folks
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Re: Help with my 120r
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2015, 08:03:02 PM »

ECM counts teeth on the flywheel. Compensator allows the flywheel to rock back and forth during cranking.
ECM get in correct tooth count and fires at the wrong time. Eventually it will get it right and start...most of the time.
The bigger the build, the higher the compression, the worse it rears it's ugly head.
Hope this helps,
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