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[bubtrauma]

Hi Guyz,

I am in the process of buying a used 2014 USA LIMITED bike and importing it to Canada. Now what about the speedo, I have to change it and my question is, is the amount of mileage stored in the gauge or the ECM. If it is stored in the ECM it will not be a problem but if in the speedo I then may not be able to do it my self.

Bub

[Steve Cole]

2014 Touring are stored in both. The problem comes from what is the new speedo your going to get has stored. The HD system will look at both devices to see if they are for the correct vehicle then if they match store the new mileage at which ever has the highest mileage stored.

[grc]

In this case Steve, he will be installing a KPH speedometer in a MPH bike.  Any idea how the ECM will handle that, and will a dealer have to alter the settings from MPH to KPH in the ECM?

Jerry

[2 ROSE]

Boy...with HD being international like they are and the bike being so new you would think replacing the speedo would not be necessary. Just a flip of a switch or selection of a pull down tab or some type of reprogramming would all that would be needed. Or am I giving HD to much credit???

[grc]

Boy...with HD being international like they are and the bike being so new you would think replacing the speedo would not be necessary. Just a flip of a switch or selection of a pull down tab or some type of reprogramming would all that would be needed. Or am I giving HD to much credit???

Still have to change the numbers on the face of the speedo, since it's analog.  They make a combination MPH/KPH version for Britain, not sure how that would go over with the Canadian authorities however.

Eventually when they go to all digital gauges then it would be just a software setting.  I don't know if I really like digital speedometers and tachometers though.  Sometimes the "old fashioned" stuff just looks better.

Jerry

[Steve Cole]

It could very easy be a software setting but then HD would have to ask the gauge manufacture to build the gauges that way. If I was to guess they probably already are! Since the current production gauge is digital and then just drive a needle it would be simple. The ECM stores everything as KPH to start with so my guess is that will not be a problem.

[bubtrauma]

I have been told it's going to cost me a 1000 bucks and it has to be ordered. I also have to give them the present mileage and Vin number.

[2 ROSE]

Yeah there is something to be said for the old days...being able to see the mileage without needing to turn the bike on.

[grc]

I have been told it's going to cost me a 1000 bucks and it has to be ordered. I also have to give them the present mileage and Vin number.

Say what?  The MSRP for the instrument cluster for a 2014 CVO Limited is $300 US  ($240 + shipping from Surdyke).  Are you having this done in the USA or in Canada?
P/N 70900294   INSTRUMENT CLUSTER, KPH    $299.99

Here's an odd note.  If you're talking about a regular 2014 Ultra Limited, not the CVO, then the instrument cluster is MSRP $634 US, P/N 70900119, KPH.  WTF!  If you're actually talking about the standard, not CVO model, it looks like you could order the entire CVO gauge set and trim rings for less than the price of just the instrument cluster for the Standard model (approximately MSRP $581 US for the instrument cluster, the fuel gage, the voltmeter, and the trim rings).  Makes absolutely no sense, and I've got a sneaking suspicion someone at Harley screwed up the list prices. 

Jerry

Another note, I've been doing some research online and it seems the speedometer/odometer on the newer bikes is locked by VIN, thus the requirement to provide both the VIN and mileage when ordering.  If you just try to swap existing instrument clusters from one bike to another, it won't work and supposedly the dealer can't do anything to make it work.  Hmmmm.  Learn something new every day.

[bubtrauma]

It's being done in Canada.  Unfortunately I can't change it now because I had to pay for it in full. I will get the part number from the dealer. Can you find out what the msrp would be in Canada please.  The bike is a 2014 wet head limited.

Bob

[grc]

I'm not sure how to find a MSRP in Canada Bob.  Once Deeley gets involved who knows how much prices get jacked up.  If you just use the exchange rate, that $634 instrument cluster in the USA would be $704 Canadian, so obviously it's not just a straight exchange rate kind of deal.

Jerry

[bubtrauma]

When you say CLUSTER does that mean ALL of them or just the speedo.

Bob

[grc]

When you say CLUSTER does that mean ALL of them or just the speedo.

Bob

Both gauges come in one unit, like the gauges in a car.  So the tach and speedo come as a unit, and they call it an instrument cluster.

Btw, I remember some guys from Canada talking about a requirement to convert US spec bikes to get the bikes registered in Canada, and for Deeley to agree to cover the warranty.  Is that what you're paying this dealer for, or just for the part?

Jerry

[bubtrauma]

Ok here it is......

It will cost me 350.00 to transfer warranty
Now you were right.
Canadain Cluster FLHTK $933.00 from parts catalogue
Canadian Cluster CVO $442.00 from 2015 Accessory Catalogue
Canadian Fuel CVO $147.95
Canadian Volt CVO $147.95

The parts guy couldn't believe it. He also said there was no restriction on purchasing the CVO guage. He said some times they won't let you buy CVO parts unless you own a CVO.

WOW how weird. UPDATE!!! The cheaper Gauges are out of the 2015 Accessory Cataloge that's why.

Bob
PS I owe BIG time Jerry thanx

[senorjeem]

   I bought a 2013 Softail for my BSR in the USA and had the dealer install a dual HD aftermarket speedo which reads mph or kph at a flick of a switch.  They may have had to give the vin, not sure.  What I do know is that the new speedo gets plugged into the ECM, and learns what the mileage on the bike is.  It is then disconnected from the ECM plug and connected to its normal spot up on the tank and it carries on from there.  I was told that I could get warranty in Canada only if I had an authorized Canadian dealer perform all of the required mods and paid an admin fee.  I refuse to be held hostage, so if I have a breakdown, I'd sooner eat the bike and crap it out at a US dealer for repairs before I will pay an extortion fee to the sole franchisee in Canada.  Man, talk about price fixing!!