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Fireguy

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Why not Oil Bud.
« on: December 02, 2014, 05:29:44 PM »

I am in no means a spokesman for oil bud coolers, but after reading plenty of topics on how to help cool your Harley such as removing the catalytic converter,tuning and cams,why aren't more people just talking about putting on an oil cooler that seems to reduce the temperatures by up to 35°? I understand the system is not cheap but how much money do we put in our bikes to make them run cooler that cost more than the cooler itself? And the fact you don't even see the cooler once it's installed your bike looks like stock.
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Re: Why not Oil Bud.
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2014, 05:33:12 PM »

The '14 CVO RK comes stock with an oil cooler already.
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Re: Why not Oil Bud.
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2014, 05:44:18 PM »

I am in no means a spokesman for oil bud coolers, but after reading plenty of topics on how to help cool your Harley such as removing the catalytic converter,tuning and cams,why aren't more people just talking about putting on an oil cooler that seems to reduce the temperatures by up to 35°? I understand the system is not cheap but how much money do we put in our bikes to make them run cooler that cost more than the cooler itself? And the fact you don't even see the cooler once it's installed your bike looks like stock.

There is more than one "cooling your Harley" involved.  One subject is the temperature of the actual oil.  The other subject is the heat felt by the rider and passenger, mostly due to exhaust temps, not oil temps.  All too often around here people get those two subjects confused.  Most of the time when people start those threads they are really talking about discomfort levels, not oil temperatures, unless they specifically say oil temperature.

Anyhow, the Oil Bud is one possible solution to reducing actual oil temps.  IMHO a regular oil cooler with an integral fan, like the JAGG unit, is a better solution.  To each his own.

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Re: Why not Oil Bud.
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2014, 08:55:03 PM »

Good points Jerry. I know that Oil Bud is the only cooler that will fit the water cooled harleys. Unless another company has come out with one yet.
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Re: Why not Oil Bud.
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2014, 06:48:08 PM »

I studied almost all of the options last year when installing a new 124. I'm not sure I would call the stock unit an oil cooler or not. I'm sure it doesn't do very much and I wanted to do something that would give me some heat protection once we put the blower back on it. I spent the money and bought an Oil Bud and love it. ONly problem I have now is geet the engine to operating temp this time of year. Its a great product!

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Re: Why not Oil Bud.
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2014, 12:00:40 AM »

I studied almost all of the options last year when installing a new 124. I'm not sure I would call the stock unit an oil cooler or not. I'm sure it doesn't do very much and I wanted to do something that would give me some heat protection once we put the blower back on it. I spent the money and bought an Oil Bud and love it. ONly problem I have now is geet the engine to operating temp this time of year. Its a great product!

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I have Oil Bud coolers installed on both my 07 Softail Deluxe and 2010 CVO Ultra.  In my opinion, it’s the best performing, non-obtrusive, most durable and well-constructed cooler on the market.  Unfortunately, it’s also the most expensive (However in this case, I believe you get what you pay for). 

I originally purchased one for my Softail.  This bike didn't have a cooler to start with and I was concerned about the oil temps I was seeing on the gauge on my tank (normally around 235-240.  But in stop and go traffic on hot days I was frequently seeing it climb above 250 and occasionally reaching 270-280 (very uncomfortable when you are sitting directly on top of the oil bag).

Before purchasing it, I researched and considered coolers from Jagg and MoCo.  However, I didn't want to dirty the looks of my bike by mounting a large cooling element to the frame in front of the engine.  So with some trepidation (mostly due to the cost), I decided to go with the Oil Bud.   

So far it’s lived up to the claims made by Bud Clarke.  Since installing it, the oil temp is now normally between 190 and 215.  On a really hot days stuck in stop and go traffic it may climb to between 225-240. 

Just like BigLew said, it seems to take longer to get the engine up to operating temp on cooler/cold days.  The adapter housing has a thermostat built into it that is set to fully open around 190.  My biggest concern now is getting it to at least 212 to burn off any moisture that may be in the oil.

After running it on the Softail for two seasons, I was completely sold on it.  Because it gets the job done while not being in your face and because I wasn't happy with the performance of the OE cooler on my CVO ultra, I bought another one for that bike.  So far its exceeded my expectations on this bike too.

The installation on the Softail was very easy. 

With the CVO Ultra, I had to fiddle with it a little more during the installation on my bike.  During the install, I added a 45 degree JIC adapter between the cooler adapter and oil line that runs to the rear of the cooler along the right side of the bike.  Without it, the line came very close to the rear brake master cylinder linkage in my installation.  I could have provided more clearance by repositioning the adapter,  however doing so would have made it more difficult (but not impossible) to install wide band O2 sensors in the front exhaust header.

One side benefit that I noticed on both bikes is that the billet adapter shifts the position of the oil filter making it easier to replace. 

However, when it comes to draining the fluids, while you can still access all of the drain plugs, you need to modify how you remove them so that the oil does not stream out and hit the cooler element making a mess.   Bud has information regarding this on his web site.  Basically, you need to make sure the fill caps are on tight and then slowly remove the drain plugs.  This will reduce the flow.  As the flow starts to slow, you start to loosen the fill caps to maintain the flow until eventually they are removed.

Bud Clarkes customer service and support is excellent.  If you have any questions, give him a call.
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Re: Why not Oil Bud.
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2014, 04:57:59 PM »

I have one on my 09 street glide and I am very happy with it's performance.

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Re: Why not Oil Bud.
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2014, 01:29:13 PM »

Any real world data logs with head temp before and after oil cooler installed. I know I have tested it , several kinds of coolers and engine size. But other data would be great to see
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Re: Why not Oil Bud.
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2014, 11:46:29 PM »

Any real world data logs with head temp before and after oil cooler installed. I know I have tested it , several kinds of coolers and engine size. But other data would be great to see

I'd be willing to log some data.  Unfortunately, my bikes won't be back on the road until spring....

I dug up a picture that I took a few years back that shows the adapter and oil lines on my Softail.  You can just see the front edge of the cooler tucked up between the frame rails.  Except for one small section where the drain plugs are, the cooler runs almost the entire area under the engine and trans.

The thermostat is located in the chrome housing on top of the billet adapter which is powder coated to match the motor. 

You can see the proximity of the Wide Band O2 for the ThunderMax is to the thermostat housing.  There's more room with narrow band O2.  There’s room to adjust the adapter position during the install to provide the clearance you want and to position the oil lines.

On my FLHTCUSE5 I replaced the air temp gauge with an oil temp gauge that is connected to an oil temp sensor installed in the plug next to the thermostat housing.  The oil lines are routed differently on this bike and my adapter is polished aluminum.

When I get the time, I'll snap some pictures of the coolers and the install on the CUSE5 and post them.
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Re: Why not Oil Bud.
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2014, 11:53:20 PM »

Here's a side view pic of my Softail.  I like that you can't see a cooler.
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Re: Why not Oil Bud.
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2014, 10:05:27 AM »

I installed one a few years ago when I did my 120 R and was very happy with it...
I wrote a topic about it indicating the differences I experienced before and after...
The only concern I had at the time in which I had not had a chance to experience yet was the oil change...
The oil change is no harder then it was before...just a bit more time involved...
To this day I'm still very impressed with the unit and the quaility of the units construction and workmanship to machine and weld the system...
I have on more then one occasion mentioned to fellow riders about my oil cooler and they could not even tell there was one on there...
I to am experiencing the same temps as others have and have not experienced any temps above 212* however here in Texas the temps hover around 200*

I'm still a believer Buds Oil Cooler system and could not be more happier with the cooling it has produced...
Very happy with it...
If I had another HD water cooler or air cooler it will have one on it as well...
Paul
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