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[naitram]

only time will tell if the world is a better place

[SPIDERMAN]

only time will tell if the world is a better place

How very true Neil. I won't claim to say I am sorry the man has been executed. By the law or word of any religion, he had it coming to him. BUT, the longer things drag on over there, the more I am convinced that the only form of government that works in that part of the world is one which is totally ruthless in the pursuit of it's enemies and rules by fear and might. There is no forgiving the sins Sadaam commited against the Iraqui people and yet the utter chaos that reigns in that country at this time did not exist during his rule. Make of that what you will , I offer it only as an observation.

B B

[SEULTRA]

Some more observations... news item on tonights news.. the total number of US military people killed in the Iraq conflict just topped 3,000. A terrible price to pay for meddling in a country's internal affairs.

[owenja]

I hate seeing this site turn political and 3,000 is a terrible price, but it is most certainly is not for meddling in a country's internal affairs.  Saddam held not only his country hostage but the entire region and at times the world.  The facts are that he did have and did use chemical weapons on both the Kurds and Iranians.  He refused to bow to the U.N. and the best intelligence we had at the time suggested that he still had weapons of mass distruction.  

As a retired member of our Armed Forces I would rather not have any of our troops in harms way.  However I was and those currently serving are committed to ensuring the safety and security of our country.  Although Saddam is gone leaving Iraq in its current state would only embolden other fanatical groups and countries or provide a safe haven for those who would continue to plan and carry out strikes against our country.

I don't claim to have all of the answers or a solution to what's going on in the mideast, but I do support our President when it comes to decisions he makes regarding our military and the safety of this country.  Lobbing cruise missles and threatening did not work for previous administrations and neither did pulling out when hit (see Lebanon and Somalia).  Although it pains me every time I watch the news and see new American casualties we need to finish what we started.

I hope and pray that the Presidents soon to be announced "new policy" will work and help speed up the outcome in Iraq so that our troups can be home with their families as we all are.

Sorry for the rant........

Jim

[CVOJOE]

"[highlight]Saddam will be quite surprized to find out that their is actually an Allah that has Horns and a Tail.......and as far as the 70 virgins awaiting him....thats true too, but they have all been just released from an all mens prison. Have fun Saddam. Red hot pokers up your azz for all of eternity is way too light a sentence for you and Osama when we find his baby murdering butt. [/highlight]"

That covers it in great fashion Mike! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] Took bad it wasn't completed back and in '91, and without the loss of 3,000 fine Americans.
Joe

[SPIDERMAN]

Jim,
       No need to be sorry for expressing yourself. I've said it before, as long as we meet folks through this site and make friends, we have to expect that the topics will run the range of issues, emotions and ideas. I've said this before recently, one thing that has happened in the past few months is that these threads that get political have not gotten personal as they used to with certain members hurling insults. These are very trying times we are living through and no one has all the answers to all the issues confronting us as people and as a nation. I may not agree with everything that is said on these threads, but I DO want to hear it. I want to know how my fellow Americans feel in the first person and not as some poll number on the evening news. So keep on doing what you did here and so long as you respect my opinion, I'll respect yours and maybe we can learn from each other. By the way, I notice you are new, so welcome to the site. Hope to meet you at one of our rallies somewhere, someday.

Big B

[Hoist!]

I hate seeing this site turn political and 3,000 is a terrible price, but it is most certainly is not for meddling in a country's internal affairs.  Saddam held not only his country hostage but the entire region and at times the world.  The facts are that he did have and did use chemical weapons on both the Kurds and Iranians.  He refused to bow to the U.N. and the best intelligence we had at the time suggested that he still had weapons of mass distruction.  

As a retired member of our Armed Forces I would rather not have any of our troops in harms way.  However I was and those currently serving are committed to ensuring the safety and security of our country.  Although Saddam is gone leaving Iraq in its current state would only embolden other fanatical groups and countries or provide a safe haven for those who would continue to plan and carry out strikes against our country.

I don't claim to have all of the answers or a solution to what's going on in the mideast, but I do support our President when it comes to decisions he makes regarding our military and the safety of this country.  Lobbing cruise missles and threatening did not work for previous administrations and neither did pulling out when hit (see Lebanon and Somalia).  Although it pains me every time I watch the news and see new American casualties we need to finish what we started.

I hope and pray that the Presidents soon to be announced "new policy" will work and help speed up the outcome in Iraq so that our troups can be home with their families as we all are.

Sorry for the rant........

Jim

Hey Jim, I can't say enough about the way you've expressed your position on this. It makes me so proud of all our young men and women, who I'm sure feel similar to you, believing whole-heartedly in defending our beloved freedom and beliefs. It's hard to imagine anyone not understanding how important it is to end these threats now, and what's at stake there! It's already way overdue, as you have so eloquently stated. I commend you for your courage in volunteering to stand up for what is so important to all of us. And I thank you and everyone else still fighting to keep us safe and free! Like you, I'd like nothing more than all of our troops to return safely, but we must finish what we started or things are sure to get worse. Bless you Jim and a Happy New Year to you and all our Troops. Hoist!

[d o g o l s]

Well Saddam is dead.....do you think we did him a favor since he is now surronded by all them virgins? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

                                                                    JR [smiley=bananarock.gif]

there you can see

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8155803760834451964

[SEULTRA]

Jim,
       No need to be sorry for expressing yourself. I've said it before, as long as we meet folks through this site and make friends, we have to expect that the topics will run the range of issues, emotions and ideas. I've said this before recently, one thing that has happened in the past few months is that these threads that get political have not gotten personal as they used to with certain members hurling insults. These are very trying times we are living through and no one has all the answers to all the issues confronting us as people and as a nation. I may not agree with everything that is said on these threads, but I DO want to hear it. I want to know how my fellow Americans feel in the first person and not as some poll number on the evening news. So keep on doing what you did here and so long as you respect my opinion, I'll respect yours and maybe we can learn from each other. By the way, I notice you are new, so welcome to the site. Hope to meet you at one of our rallies somewhere, someday.

Big B

Well said Big B...

Jim... I too proudly served my country.. for 22 years.... in 2 war zones. We just see some things differently. Welcome to the site and thanks for your perspective.

[CVOMOE!!]

Good riddance.  Now maybe they can get on with it and bring the troops home.

Moe

[HUBBARD]

Having never been amongst the Ranks of our Country's Armed Forces, I don't expect my opinion to carry the weight of those who have, concerning this matter.  However, I have supported, and will continue to support, the Men and Women who have fought, and died for my freedom.  I do this by paying my taxes, and going out of my way to Thank each and every Soldier I see, for my Freedom.  There are decisions being made in High Places, which are based on facts and information we will never have knowledge of, or, be informed about.  All we will know, is how the liberal media sees this War, or anything else they choose to focus on, and reports it.  That said, how can I make an intelligent decision about our Country's involvement in Irag, without all the facts?  How can I stand on the sidelines, under the blanket of Security this Great Country provides for me, and defame those that have this information?  I can't, really.  I must trust those in Power over this situation, to do the right thing.  I don't know about the World, but I think the USA is a safer place, with Saddam decomposing.  What I do know is, I'm glad I haven't been entrusted with the great burden our Commander in Chief has.   Later--HUBBARD                

[Hoist!]

Having never been amongst the Ranks of our Country's Armed Forces, I don't expect my opinion to carry the weight of those who have, concerning this matter.  However, I have supported, and will continue to support, the Men and Women who have fought, and died for my freedom.  I do this by paying my taxes, and going out of my way to Thank each and every Soldier I see, for my Freedom.  There are decisions being made in High Places, which are based on facts and information we will never have knowledge of, or, be informed about.  All we will know, is how the liberal media sees this War, or anything else they choose to focus on, and reports it.  That said, how can I make an intelligent decision about our Country's involvement in Irag, without all the facts?  How can I stand on the sidelines, under the blanket of Security this Great Country provides for me, and defame those that have this information?  I can't, really.  I must trust those in Power over this situation, to do the right thing.  I don't know about the World, but I think the USA is a safer place, with Saddam decomposing.  What I do know is, I'm glad I haven't been entrusted with the great burden our Commander in Chief has.   Later--HUBBARD                

Couldn't be said better. Right on Hubbard! Hoist!

[Fired00d]

Having never been amongst the Ranks of our Country's Armed Forces, I don't expect my opinion to carry the weight of those who have, concerning this matter.  However, I have supported, and will continue to support, the Men and Women who have fought, and died for my freedom.  I do this by paying my taxes, and going out of my way to Thank each and every Soldier I see, ....   Later--HUBBARD                

Hubbard,
Well said, thanks. Being a Vet that's all we can ask for. I joined the military at the ending of Viet Nam when a lot in our country didn't give Vets the respect they deserved. Along with that I know that even those in the Armed Forces (throughout the ranks) don't know all the "Intel" but have chosen to protect what they have been directed/ordered to do w/o any hesitation. You are right on point about not being entrusted w/the great burden of being Commander in Chief that is one job that I would never want. Have you ever looked at any of their before/after pictures? The stress of that job has aged them terribly. [smiley=nervous.gif]

 [smiley=pumpkin.gif]
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 [smiley=fireman.gif]

[owenja]

Having never been amongst the Ranks of our Country's Armed Forces, I don't expect my opinion to carry the weight of those who have, concerning this matter.  However, I have supported, and will continue to support, the Men and Women who have fought, and died for my freedom.  I do this by paying my taxes, and going out of my way to Thank each and every Soldier I see, for my Freedom.  There are decisions being made in High Places, which are based on facts and information we will never have knowledge of, or, be informed about.  All we will know, is how the liberal media sees this War, or anything else they choose to focus on, and reports it.  That said, how can I make an intelligent decision about our Country's involvement in Irag, without all the facts?  How can I stand on the sidelines, under the blanket of Security this Great Country provides for me, and defame those that have this information?  I can't, really.  I must trust those in Power over this situation, to do the right thing.  I don't know about the World, but I think the USA is a safer place, with Saddam decomposing.  What I do know is, I'm glad I haven't been entrusted with the great burden our Commander in Chief has.   Later--HUBBARD                

Well said Hubbard...

Jim

[Bagger]

Having never been amongst the Ranks of our Country's Armed Forces, I don't expect my opinion to carry the weight of those who have, concerning this matter.  However, I have supported, and will continue to support, the Men and Women who have fought, and died for my freedom.  I do this by paying my taxes, and going out of my way to Thank each and every Soldier I see, for my Freedom.  There are decisions being made in High Places, which are based on facts and information we will never have knowledge of, or, be informed about.  All we will know, is how the liberal media sees this War, or anything else they choose to focus on, and reports it.  That said, how can I make an intelligent decision about our Country's involvement in Irag, without all the facts?  How can I stand on the sidelines, under the blanket of Security this Great Country provides for me, and defame those that have this information?  I can't, really.  I must trust those in Power over this situation, to do the right thing.  I don't know about the World, but I think the USA is a safer place, with Saddam decomposing.  What I do know is, I'm glad I haven't been entrusted with the great burden our Commander in Chief has.   Later--HUBBARD                

Hubbard, You are VERY welcome........and THANK YOU, Brother, for remembering those of us who have served, and are still serving.  Your support means more than you know.