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CVO Technical => Twin Cam => Topic started by: nytryder on April 09, 2015, 12:32:45 PM
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Ant one here know anything about Gaterman lifters? I checked out their website and it seems they are made specifically for HD engines. Just wondering if there is any real life info on these lifters.
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They have been mentioned here on earlier threads.
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They are of good design, but made overseas, and some have experienced frosting of the rollers. I ran a set in a 113" for 12,000 miles and have sold the bike. Far as I know they're still in the motor. Now the Harley "B" lifter I ran in the same motor for 25,000+ look great. Should have left them in.
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Gatormans are a great design, but not so great lifters. They lasted about 10,000 miles before they cost me a motor in my Road Glide.
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Go with S&S lifters. Proven replacement
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Send a PM to Don at HD Street Performance , a member on here.
He has some new lifters.
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Gatormans are a great design, but not so great lifters. They lasted about 10,000 miles before they cost me a motor in my Road Glide.
What happened?
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What happened?
Needle bearing in the roller failed and caused the roller to sieze taking out the cam lobe sending glittery chit through the motor. One of the remaining three lifters was definitely in its way out as well and the roller on that one was frosting badly to the point of marking up the cam lobe. And to think that I replaced my crappy C-lifters with them to try and avoid potential problems.
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Which version was the issues with? There is the one that are identical to the old Harley "B"'s (that I use), then there is the Gaterman designed one.
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Which version was the issues with? There is the one that are identical to the old Harley "B"'s (that I use), then there is the Gaterman designed one.
Other than the name not familiar with the brand. So there are two different under the same brand name? How are the two distinguished from one another?
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Which version was the issues with? There is the one that are identical to the old Harley "B"'s (that I use), then there is the Gaterman designed one.
New style. GP1023 lifters.
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We locked on to S&S lifters here quite some time ago, as we are NOT going to use our clients bikes, as a beta-testing platform.
NEVER had an issue to date with them.
Scott
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For sure have not heard of any problems with S&S, even with aggressive cams. Why I put them in my 2014 CVO RK.
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We've been using them, and for good reason now, for plus/minus 20 years, back in the Evo days.
Built so many 113" S&S single-cam engine's I can't remember.
With an S&S D carb multiple Thunderjets/Thunderheader/Wood 9F/our heads...........130/140. :)
Scott
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Thanks for the info guys. I know the S&S lifters are good, was just curious as to any experience with the Gaterman lifters. Kinda planning ahead.
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Thanks for the info guys. I know the S&S lifters are good, was just curious as to any experience with the Gaterman lifters. Kinda planning ahead.
Do yourself a favor and spend the extra coin. Other option is to find a set of Delphi B lifters.
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Do yourself a favor and spend the extra coin. Other option is to find a set of Delphi B lifters.
Aren't those the same as the Gaterman 1021? (which is the one I have)
http://www.gatermanproducts.com/index_files/Page410.htm
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Aren't those the same as the Gaterman 1021? (which is the one I have)
http://www.gatermanproducts.com/index_files/Page410.htm
They are the same style but I'm not sure if they are legitimate B lifters, or if they are a China knock off. The GP1023 lifters are made in China. You might try emailing Gatorman.
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Then there are some folks that just re-package and call a product theirs.........having then, the abilitity to leap tall buildings in a single bound. :)
Scott
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I'm not trying to save $$ or reinvent the wheel just read some literature and wondered if they performed well. As suggested my replacements most likely will be the S&S lifters. Any ideas on how long the SE lifters in my '15 110'' motor may last?
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"Any ideas on how long the SE lifters in my '15 110'' motor may last?"
After the SE lifters cost me 5 grand in motor repairs back in '05, I removed them from my 2014 CVO RK at 300 miles. YMMV.
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The stock SE lifters in the '13 and later CVO's aren't the same SE lifters that sucked in previous years, so you really can't go by the reports about the old ones. So far, knock on wood, I haven't seen reports of early roller failures with the '13 and later bikes that were all to common in the previous bikes. However, even if the roller doesn't fail and trash the engine, that doesn't automatically mean the rest of the lifter is good. Noisy, excessive leakdown and slow to pump up, and similar issues may still be a problem.
Jerry
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The stock SE lifters in the '13 and later CVO's aren't the same SE lifters that sucked in previous years, so you really can't go by the reports about the old ones. So far, knock on wood, I haven't seen reports of early roller failures with the '13 and later bikes that were all to common in the previous bikes. However, even if the roller doesn't fail and trash the engine, that doesn't automatically mean the rest of the lifter is good. Noisy, excessive leakdown and slow to pump up, and similar issues may still be a problem.
Jerry
Thanks Jerry, I have been wondering about that. I figured they need to last the two years to warranty expiration.
Cheers
Major Tom
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I've read a lot about lifters and have tried everything from feuling to gaterman. the only failure i had was with a hd c lifter. both my bikes now have s&s premium lifters without the limiters now. set at .140. both bikes are quiet with very little top end noise FINALLY! My seeg gear drive is getting noisy though but its got 60k miles on it. I could write a book :banana rock: btw Both have the se tapered adj pushrods. I think these are great
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" so you really can't go by the reports about the old ones. "
Agree, but for me the old adage "once bitten" applies. If I can find any data or reports from users with 25,000 miles or more, that show the late SE's are ok then I'll replace the C's in my 103" with them, otherwise S&S.
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" so you really can't go by the reports about the old ones. "
Agree, but for me the old adage "once bitten" applies. If I can find any data or reports from users with 25,000 miles or more, that show the late SE's are ok then I'll replace the C's in my 103" with them, otherwise S&S.
Don't get me wrong, if the choice came down to S&S and SE for me, S&S it would be. Harley has not earned my trust with their history of poor quality parts, including their SE line. I was just trying to explain to the guys with new CVO's that they shouldn't look at the reports of all the failures with the "C" lifters or the old SE lifters as proof that the new design lifters in their bikes are automatically crap. We have evidence about those other parts, but so far there doesn't seem to be similar evidence of early failure with this latest design. At least not roller failure anyway.
Jerry
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I've read a lot about lifters and have tried everything from feuling to gaterman. the only failure i had was with a hd c lifter. both my bikes now have s&s premium lifters without the limiters now. set at .140. both bikes are quiet with very little top end noise FINALLY! My seeg gear drive is getting noisy though but its got 60k miles on it. I could write a book :banana rock: btw Both have the se tapered adj pushrods. I think these are great
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
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Don't get me wrong, if the choice came down to S&S and SE for me, S&S it would be. Harley has not earned my trust with their history of poor quality parts, including their SE line. I was just trying to explain to the guys with new CVO's that they shouldn't look at the reports of all the failures with the "C" lifters or the old SE lifters as proof that the new design lifters in their bikes are automatically crap. We have evidence about those other parts, but so far there doesn't seem to be similar evidence of early failure with this latest design. At least not roller failure anyway.
Jerry
Maybe I should have given the SE a chance in my 14' CVO King, but I went S&S at 300 miles. I have the nearly new SE's soaking in oil and if guys don't have failures I'll replace the C's with them in my 15' RoadGlide. I hope for all the owners of 14 & 15 CVO's, good service from those lifters.
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I'd stay with those S & S lifters if it were me.
Scott
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Then there are some folks that just re-package and call a product theirs.........having then, the abilitity to leap tall buildings in a single bound. :)
Scott
Truth! :2vrolijk_21:
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Truth! :2vrolijk_21:
:)
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I've read a lot about lifters and have tried everything from feuling to gaterman. the only failure i had was with a hd c lifter. both my bikes now have s&s premium lifters without the limiters now. set at .140. both bikes are quiet with very little top end noise FINALLY! My seeg gear drive is getting noisy though but its got 60k miles on it. I could write a book :banana rock: btw Both have the se tapered adj pushrods. I think these are great
Had 1 new DOA S&S premium lifters once and that was after 2 failed in an evo 96 create motor that had 25k kilometres on it. S&S actually admitted in an email that they had quality control and design issues with their lifter and sent me a set of Crane lifters instead. So go figure.