Topic: 113 build, which cams or any advice at all (Read 13321 times)

goop · « **on:** September 10, 2015, 06:12:29 PM »

I have a 2010 cvo street glide the only thing done to it now is v&h header pipe with rinehart mufflers using a power vision to tune. I'm looking to do a 113 build and the reason being is that when I down shift hard and come to a stop I get a burning oil odor. The engine itself has no leaks I'm leaning towards rings or valve guide. This is my plan so far.
Bore cylinders
Flat top pistons
Head worked over with the bigger intake valve
Adjustable pushrods ( who's do u recommend)
Cams thinking of the kuryakyn 25d
I live in chicago so low power is good.
All machine work is being done by HD street performance
Any advice will be helpful. Thanks in advance

Lever · « **Reply #1 on:** September 10, 2015, 06:58:05 PM »

I have few thousand miles on my 113 build I like woods stuff
how that being said I would go with what your builder recommendS and ask to see some dyno sheets etc

Fatboy · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2015, 07:20:19 PM »

Living where you do several good options come to mind (both north of you) including Suburban Speed Shop and Fuel Moto both had have tried and tested kits available and employ folks with the skill sets to do the job right.

http://www.suburbanharley.com/--twin_cam

http://www.fuelmotousa.com/p-28394-power-packages.html

mark · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2015, 09:21:19 PM »

Valve guides, I imagine. How's your oil consumption?

goop · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2015, 09:55:22 PM »

Not horrible the bike does have 26k. The big reason for cams is it does run pretty hot and being in chicago with traffic can get bad

North Star · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2015, 11:20:00 PM »

Be careful not to fall into the trap of a bigger build= higher compression= higher heat and more temperamental.Especially if you are spending a lot of time sitting in traffic, which you indicate that you do.

Sounds like you are thinking since you have oil consumption you want to pull the heads and freshen some parts up. Good idea because these engines are known to burn oil because of cylinders that go out of round and poor piston rings, plus some argue full synthetic oil adds to this.

Another option is to keep it a 110 and add mild cams and maybe just a thinner head gasket to bump the compression a bit but keep it under 10:1. That plus a good exhaust, and a great tune. While you are doing that, refresh the valve guides, umbrella breather valves, lifters, etc. You will end up with a much better and cooler running engine.

Having said that, since you plan to go to a reputable shop, get their opinion on what you need to do to accomplish your goals.

FlaHeatWave · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2015, 05:28:31 AM »

I'm a big fan of the T-Man 625s, they come early and stay late, relatively quiet.

GMR seems to be doing a good bit of 113s these days and has the combinations figured out...

the search function is your friend

goop · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2015, 07:08:19 AM »

Thanks guys for the input. My builder suggested the kuryakyn 24d but it seems they are discontinuing them and going with the 25d. Looks like it was specifically designed for the 110. But wasn't sure if it was a good choice for the build I want to do. I see alot of people like the gmr 577 which looks real good. But they have there new 600 which I can't find much info on. I went to there website and it doesn't show much at all everything says coming soon. Since I do get stuck in traffic from time to time I went ahead and bought an oil bud oil cooler.

Ridgerunr · « **Reply #8 on:** September 11, 2015, 07:16:49 AM »

"is that when I down shift hard "

If you have a habit of doing that...stop. Can shift the flywheels. Might consider rebuilding or replacing the lower end while it's apart.

goop · « **Reply #9 on:** September 11, 2015, 07:58:25 AM »

I only do it when I need to. Seems like stop lights like to change as I'm coming up to them

so instead of riding the brake hard I down shift and that's when I can smell the burning oil.

goop · « **Reply #10 on:** September 11, 2015, 10:59:36 AM »

I will add that Don from HD Street Performance has been a big help in giving me info, I just don't want to keep calling him and bothering him with questions. i'm sure he's a very busy guy.

grofcvo · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2015, 05:48:45 PM »

Quote from: goop on September 11, 2015, 07:08:19 AM

Thanks guys for the input. My builder suggested the kuryakyn 24d but it seems they are discontinuing them and going with the 25d. Looks like it was specifically designed for the 110. But wasn't sure if it was a good choice for the build I want to do. I see alot of people like the gmr 577 which looks real good. But they have there new 600 which I can't find much info on. I went to there website and it doesn't show much at all everything says coming soon. Since I do get stuck in traffic from time to time I went ahead and bought an oil bud oil cooler.

I have Gmr 577 in my cvo rk and I love this cam, (hp116/tq132) ... talked to Steve couple weeks ago about upgrading to 113'' and he said new cam 600 is performance cam and and best goes with his kit for 113''. There is a lot going in his kit and is bullet proven... but for now I have to work a lot of OT it costs a lot for my pocket....

barrhill · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2015, 06:07:34 PM »

20000 miles on my full gmr 113 build with 577 cams 121/128 still running great with good mileage and
runs cool
only problem third clutch and a few extra tires

prodrag1320 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2015, 06:24:14 PM »

10.0-1 & S&S. 570 cams is a very nice 110 upgrade

Para Bellum · « **Reply #14 on:** September 14, 2015, 12:53:22 AM »

Quote from: goop on September 11, 2015, 07:58:25 AM

I only do it when I need to. Seems like stop lights like to change as I'm coming up to them so instead of riding the brake hard I down shift and that's when I can smell the burning oil.

It's a lot easier and cheaper to change brake pads and rotors than to replace engine, clutch, and transmission components. Just sayin.

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #15 on:** September 14, 2015, 07:12:35 AM »

Quote from: prodrag1320 on September 12, 2015, 06:24:14 PM

10.0-1 & S&S. 570 cams is a very nice 110 upgrade

I know someone else that has said the exact same thing.

Scott

Ridgerunr · « **Reply #16 on:** September 14, 2015, 08:17:05 AM »

The S&S .570 is a versatile cam IME. I've seen great results, from a 88" TC with head work, to a 103"CVO stock, and let's not forget the 95" Hippo build. It's not a "designer" cam, likely why we haven't seen any sheets posted, doesn't mean it won't work in a 110". If one desires compression over 10.0:1 then the .570 is not for them.

CVO2FIXUP · « **Reply #17 on:** September 14, 2015, 12:15:47 PM »

My build is a 113 with 10:5 to 1 comp. head work with bigger intake valve. ( also had the crank done as it was out 9 though) so we went with S&S 585 cam. And what I noticed after about 15,000 miles is I miss the low end torque of the 255's. My cams come on at 3 grand and go like snot up to red line. Most torque is between 3 and 5.5 grand. But when you are touring with a bunch riders and doing the speed limit you are revving at below 3 grand and the bike is sucking air. No balls, so klimbing a hill at 2,500 rpm in a pita! Stock 103's are walking away from you on up hills cause they have more torque than you down low. So you have to down shift and make a bunch of noise and drama to catch up. Sucks. However when I am alone, I can cruse at 90 the bike revs at 3 grand and then it works like a dream. So be careful not to move the torque to far to the right especiallyif you tour. You won't be happy. Oh chitty on take offs as well when your torque is to far to the right. No bottom means bad launch.

T-Roy · « **Reply #18 on:** September 14, 2015, 04:38:27 PM »

See the thread titled, New mufflers new throttle body tts tuner more power, under twin cam. The GMR 600 cams are awesome with the right muffler.

firefighter156 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 14, 2015, 08:28:10 PM »

Cams should really be matched to the compression you intend to have. A Tman 590 at 10.5-10.8 is a proven performer in a 113" Ask Don what the compression will be and let him suggest a cam. Lots of good choices. As others have said, pick a cam that pushes the curve to the left for early TQ unless you driving habits are different. Don can help you with that to.

North Star · « **Reply #20 on:** September 15, 2015, 12:53:03 AM »

Are these Kuryakyn 25D's new? I see on their website they are marketed for low-mid tq in the 110. Wonder how they do in real life.

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #21 on:** September 15, 2015, 07:16:30 AM »

Quote from: Ridgerunr on September 14, 2015, 08:17:05 AM

The S&S .570 is a versatile cam IME. I've seen great results, from a 88" TC with head work, to a 103"CVO stock, and let's not forget the 95" Hippo build. It's not a "designer" cam, likely why we haven't seen any sheets posted, doesn't mean it won't work in a 110". If one desires compression over 10.0:1 then the .570 is not for them.

10.0 is the threshold for the .570, and at that, it still carrys less ccp than the school-bus cam, and tames heat also.
Pack a 58mm t/body with it and a good pipe, tuned, and it'll make a whole lot of folks happy-happy-happy.
Scott

goop · « **Reply #22 on:** September 15, 2015, 11:16:48 PM »

Yes that 25d cam looks like a very good choice for me as I'm looking for low end power for city driving. I also do alot of highway on the weekends

Classic Beast · « **Reply #23 on:** September 18, 2015, 10:40:52 AM »

Quote from: HILLSIDECYCLE.COM on September 15, 2015, 07:16:30 AM

10.0 is the threshold for the .570, and at that, it still carrys less ccp than the school-bus cam, and tames heat also.
Pack a 58mm t/body with it and a good pipe, tuned, and it'll make a whole lot of folks happy-happy-happy.
Scott

Using the S&S 570 in a 103 Road glide ultra with Fulsac dx, what heads would work good, are the Harley cnc heads a contender?

remington007 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 18, 2015, 04:34:09 PM »

The Kury 25D appears to be a Andrews 57H.

cherryseeg2 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 18, 2015, 06:35:32 PM »

Did a 113 fit my dad a few months back went 126/134. GMR 600, 2.12 intake valve with a good valve job, Fullsac pipe and Rinehart mufflers.

goop · « **Reply #26 on:** September 25, 2015, 04:57:01 PM »

wow cherryseeg2 nice numbers. im doing the same thing but decided to use the kuryakyn 24d cams

luc.who · « **Reply #27 on:** September 25, 2015, 06:38:27 PM »

Quote from: cherryseeg2 on September 18, 2015, 06:35:32 PM

Did a 113 fit my dad a few months back went 126/134. GMR 600, 2.12 intake valve with a good valve job, Fullsac pipe and Rinehart mufflers.

Very nice, 4" reinharts or 3.5?

cherryseeg2 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 26, 2015, 09:45:04 PM »

Quote from: goop on September 25, 2015, 04:57:01 PM

wow cherryseeg2 nice numbers. im doing the same thing but decided to use the kuryakyn 24d cams

Nothing wrong with the 24d. Great cam for a 110/113 build.

cherryseeg2 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 26, 2015, 09:45:48 PM »

Quote from: luc.who on September 25, 2015, 06:38:27 PM

Very nice, 4" reinharts or 3.5?

4" Rineharts

CVODON · « **Reply #30 on:** September 27, 2015, 02:11:17 PM »

You seem to have questons regarding cam selection. Why wouldn't you call and talk the cam manufacturers? In an earlier life we constantly were looking for HP in our racecar, but I never asked any normal guy his opinion. I talked to the manufacturer or engine builder who was making good power for someone else and used, or said he used, the cam I was curious about.
Asking normal guys, even competitive guys, about there thoughts always seemed a waste to me. Everyone who has replied to your thread has a different opinion or combination. Call a couple different companies and tell them what you are looking for and then take there opinion, because if you buy from a reputable company and there suggestion fails, they will work with you. THE cam companies want you happy, you are there best advertisement for folks who didn't call them.

TorqueInc · « **Reply #31 on:** September 27, 2015, 08:22:41 PM »

Quote from: Classic Beast on September 18, 2015, 10:40:52 AM

Using the S&S 570 in a 103 Road glide ultra with Fulsac dx, what heads would work good, are the Harley cnc heads a contender?

If you are looking for VERY low grunt you should consider something else

@ 10-1 or 10.2-1 the 570 with the CNC Harley heads or something similar

is a midrange torque monster

Exhausts that seem to work well with this combo are power duals....any good muffler....Drago dragula...V&H propipe

based on that id say the fullsac would also work well

I would also suggest a SE 58 throttle body however it will damn sure run well without.

I have a few dyno sheets of this combo on my phone

106/120 stock pistons stock throttle body

pic is too big to post

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #32 on:** September 28, 2015, 07:04:00 AM »

Quote from: Classic Beast on September 18, 2015, 10:40:52 AM

Using the S&S 570 in a 103 Road glide ultra with Fulsac dx, what heads would work good, are the Harley cnc heads a contender?

Our Stage III Super-Tour Heads, would do it well.
Jim Kennedy, Matoon, ILL, has seen those on his drum with 98"/.570's with great results.
Scott

TorqueInc · « **Reply #33 on:** September 29, 2015, 03:32:48 AM »

103 s&s 570.....stock pistons....CNC heads(mine) stock throttle body

Also of note....this is a 103

Rooster · « **Reply #34 on:** September 29, 2015, 02:51:19 PM »

Old CVO 103 or new 103?

TorqueInc · « **Reply #35 on:** September 29, 2015, 09:25:00 PM »

New 103

Would see better numbers from the CVO 103 provided you put a little better piston in it

toddwebber · « **Reply #36 on:** September 29, 2015, 09:35:08 PM »

Just had mine done by Fuel Moto. Runs strong

Rooster · « **Reply #37 on:** October 01, 2015, 03:21:09 PM »

The old CVO 103 was for the most part a very happy motor that most were able to get very nice hp and torque numbers. One of the experts motor guys would be able to tell what the differences are between the two. sorry bout

back to 113

Author Topic: 113 build, which cams or any advice at all (Read 13321 times)

mark