Topic: Cooling 110's Extreme Heat (Read 6543 times)

aftaylor · « **on:** May 23, 2011, 11:34:19 AM »

I bought a Road Glide Ultra SE about a month ago. I had the dealer install a set of V&H monster ovals slip-ons and a Dynojet Power Commander V module. I still have the lowers on the bike. Riding in traffic at Myrtle Beach the bike wanted to die, I believe because of the heat. That issue maybe one of the cyclinders shutting down, which I understand is typical. The other issue is just the extreme heat. The three hour ride home from Myrtle Beach with a 90 degree day you could fry an egg on my right leg jeans. I know removing the lowers will help a lot. What else can I do or have the dealer do to get the bike to run a lot cooler? The dealer is not very sophisticated, so details will be much appreciated. I understand removing the catalytic conventer will help and there are ECM changes that can be made, but does anyone have specifics?

roadking71865 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 23, 2011, 11:59:59 AM »

Fullsac X-Pipe (gets rid of cats), Big Sucker A/C, 1.75 Fullsac baffles & TTS. Get a good tuner and it will make a ton of difference. I road 4 hours to a highly recommended tuner and it was well worth it. Also, removing the lowers makes a HUGE difference, especially for my BSR.

JCZ · « **Reply #2 on:** May 23, 2011, 12:03:38 PM »

Quote from: roadking71865 on May 23, 2011, 11:59:59 AM

Fullsac X-Pipe (gets rid of cats), Big Sucker A/C, 1.75 Fullsac baffles & TTS. Get a good tuner and it will make a ton of difference. I road 4 hours to a highly recommended tuner and it was well worth it. Also, removing the lowers makes a HUGE difference, especially for my BSR.

I ride in triple digits and have never had my leg fairings off (even though I have the quick release on them).....no problem.

Robmay · « **Reply #3 on:** May 23, 2011, 12:08:40 PM »

Quote from: JCZ on May 23, 2011, 12:03:38 PM

I ride in triple digits and have never had my leg fairings off (even though I have the quick release on them).....no problem.

Jcz,

What bike do you have? I have the XPipe, 1.75" Fullsac baffles, TTS and leg fairings removed. This week in Kentucky on one of our rides, when I would put my foot on the highway peg I could feel the heat coming thru my chaps from my calf to the back of my knee. I have run the Vtune but have not had the bike tuned yet. I would really like to re-install the lowers as they block a lot of the wind and make longer, super slab type rides much for comfortable for me and my BSR. Thanks. Rob

Boatman · « **Reply #4 on:** May 23, 2011, 12:39:37 PM »

Quote from: JCZ on May 23, 2011, 12:03:38 PM

I ride in triple digits and have never had my leg fairings off (even though I have the quick release on them).....no problem.

JC-

You are one tough motorskooter

.. I've done everything but removed the lowers (won't) and the old girl is still hot.

JCZ · « **Reply #5 on:** May 23, 2011, 12:40:19 PM »

I have the 10 SESG and the wife rides an 09 Street Glide (with leg fairings).....year round.

Her's has a 96" and the heat seems to bother her more than me, so even though we removed the cat, Fullsac 1.75 baffles and TTS.....Jim wrapped her header with exhaust wrap then put the heat shields back on. Seems to have done the trick for her. We rode in triple digits a number of times last summer on our touring rides.

I think the tune (the tuner!) has a lot to do with it but here's my dyno sheet, you can see the A/F ratio is dead on.... http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=44545.0

admccrea · « **Reply #6 on:** May 23, 2011, 01:20:51 PM »

Kill the CAT...Welcome to the site from Valley Forge PA.

2k · « **Reply #7 on:** May 23, 2011, 01:42:10 PM »

As most have said........fullsac, no cat. My lowers have never been off, either

roadking71865 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 23, 2011, 02:15:16 PM »

I ride in triple digits and have never had my leg fairings off (even though I have the quick release on them).....no problem.
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What are the quick releases you are referring to?

martys · « **Reply #9 on:** May 23, 2011, 02:17:45 PM »

Welcome to the site from Southern Ontario, Canada

darth davidson · « **Reply #10 on:** May 23, 2011, 02:30:09 PM »

Would not take the lowers off. Change pipes and synthetic oil.

aftaylor · « **Reply #11 on:** May 23, 2011, 03:50:16 PM »

I apologize for not saying Hi. I was right to the point. Thanks for the replies, I had planned on having the dealer install V&H Power Duals with no catalytic converter. I looked into the Fullsac X-Pipe "B", they are actually a lower price than the V&H Power Duals. Does the black ceramic pipe on the Fullsac show underneath the stock Harley heat shields?

Also, does anyone know of a good Dynojet Power Commander V map to use, running with the Fullsac and V&H Monster Ovals, to run the bike at a lower temperature?

JCZ · « **Reply #12 on:** May 23, 2011, 03:59:51 PM »

Quote from: roadking71865 on May 23, 2011, 02:15:16 PM

I ride in triple digits and have never had my leg fairings off (even though I have the quick release on them).....no problem.
What are the quick releases you are referring to?

clcik on this link.... http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448771257&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302287249&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302287249&bmUID=1306180658539&bmLocale=en_US

Sierramadre · « **Reply #13 on:** May 23, 2011, 04:10:32 PM »

Eliminating the cat, free flowing exhaust, and an engine tune that is a little richer will help big time. It's still gonna run hot. Welcome to the world of 1909 air cooled technology

casper · « **Reply #14 on:** May 23, 2011, 04:24:08 PM »

Tune it right and run synthetic oil I use and sell Amsoil and and feel the heat a little but I know it runs cooler than other bikes my friends have

1sharprdkg · « **Reply #15 on:** May 23, 2011, 06:38:51 PM »

Welcome to the site from Tennessee! Loose the "CAT"

Pegus · « **Reply #16 on:** May 23, 2011, 06:44:59 PM »

Welcome from Lausanne, Switzerland!

Trimster · « **Reply #17 on:** May 23, 2011, 07:40:26 PM »

All the suggestions listed above will help with engine's heat. As far as your preference for the head pipe, either way you won't go wrong. I'm running the V&H power duals, tuned, and it still gets a bit toasty, especially for the BSR, but the bike sure runs good. Welcome to the site.

nuckelhead · « **Reply #18 on:** May 23, 2011, 10:33:48 PM »

XIED relays... best investment on my bike. runs 30% cooler!

semperfi81 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 23, 2011, 11:18:03 PM »

The CAT must go

Welcome to the site from the valley of the sun, Phoenix, AZ

We know about heat

Zee110 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 24, 2011, 12:46:10 AM »

Here in Alberta we don't have heat issues unless its finding a day warm enough to ride

Welcome to the site

Brian22601 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 24, 2011, 01:41:15 AM »

Welcome from WINCHESTER VA!!!!!!!!!!!!

If mine gets hot I just go faster.....

spydglide · « **Reply #22 on:** May 24, 2011, 05:13:21 AM »

I know these last two posts were prolly said in 'jest', but they're absolutely correct in that these motors don't have heat issues until you're in the 90's & 100's and even then not unless you're stuck in traffic and can't keep moving.

spyder

mr_magoo · « **Reply #23 on:** May 24, 2011, 08:48:42 AM »

Welcome to the site. I've had my oil temp over 360 and HD says that normal.

Robmay · « **Reply #24 on:** May 24, 2011, 10:14:34 AM »

Quote from: spydglide on May 24, 2011, 05:13:21 AM

I know these last two posts were prolly said in 'jest', but they're absolutely correct in that these motors don't have heat issues until you're in the 90's & 100's and even then not unless you're stuck in traffic and can't keep moving. spyder

Not to contradict but... I must have the only 110 that gets extremely hot while riding around town or the open road in 85+ weather/humidity here in Florida. The only resolve I have found is to remove the lowers. Just sayin...

darth davidson · « **Reply #25 on:** May 24, 2011, 11:01:59 AM »

Quote from: Robmay on May 24, 2011, 10:14:34 AM

Not to contradict but... I must have the only 110 that gets extremely hot while riding around town or the open road in 85+ weather/humidity here in Florida. The only resolve I have found is to remove the lowers. Just sayin...

Rob
We have the same bike and ride in similar weather, since temp is subjective, what do yo mean extremely hot number wise ? I mean oil temp.

Robmay · « **Reply #26 on:** May 24, 2011, 02:48:28 PM »

Quote from: darth davidson on May 24, 2011, 11:01:59 AM

Rob
We have the same bike and ride in similar weather, since temp is subjective, what do yo mean extremely hot number wise ? I mean oil temp.

Darth,

I don't check my oil temp. I am only going by the burn on the back of my leg. Thats good enough for me.

darth davidson · « **Reply #27 on:** May 24, 2011, 03:04:36 PM »

Quote from: Robmay on May 24, 2011, 02:48:28 PM

Darth,

I don't check my oil temp. I am only going by the burn on the back of my leg. Thats good enough for me.

I hear you man and I have felt it too. I love gadget so I have one of those oil dip stick with a digital read out. So , yesterday was hot coming back from mount dora, and my thigh definitely felt it but the oil temp was 243 which MoCo says is way within normal operation temp.

miker · « **Reply #28 on:** May 24, 2011, 03:24:04 PM »

Big motor, big heat....

roadking71865 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 24, 2011, 03:48:01 PM »

Has anyone found out that lowering the passenger floor boards or moving them out helps with the heat for the BSR. My wife complains about the heat when the lowers are on but is not so bad when they are off. Just looking to see if I can make here more comfortable with the lowers on and/ or off. The happier she is on the bike the more I get to ride.

aftaylor · « **Reply #30 on:** May 24, 2011, 04:12:59 PM »

My BSR was miserable this past Sunday from the heat, actually hotter than me.

I took the bike in this morning for the 1000 mile service. Decided to have them put on V&H Dresser Duals, (they couldn't buy the Fullsac's). I contacted Fuel Moto and they have sent me a Map for the Dynojet. Hopefully these things help the bike run cooler. I'll report back my finding next week. Taking the lowers off alone has got to help!

rheiner · « **Reply #31 on:** May 24, 2011, 04:45:57 PM »

Get a Jagg 10 row horizontal oil cooler to replace the stock 6 row cooler. It's far more effecient than the stock oil cooler. The hot oil flows through the filter first, then the cooler. This is opposite of the stock harley cooler. For every 20 degree drop in oil temp, it doubles the life of your oil, according to Jagg. When I replaced my stock cooler with a Jagg, it dropped my oil temp 17-20 degrees.

Widows Son · « **Reply #32 on:** May 24, 2011, 08:03:41 PM »

Quote from: aftaylor on May 23, 2011, 11:34:19 AM

I bought a Road Glide Ultra SE about a month ago. I had the dealer install a set of V&H monster ovals slip-ons and a Dynojet Power Commander V module. I still have the lowers on the bike. Riding in traffic at Myrtle Beach the bike wanted to die, I believe because of the heat. That issue maybe one of the cyclinders shutting down, which I understand is typical. The other issue is just the extreme heat. The three hour ride home from Myrtle Beach with a 90 degree day you could fry an egg on my right leg jeans. I know removing the lowers will help a lot. What else can I do or have the dealer do to get the bike to run a lot cooler? The dealer is not very sophisticated, so details will be much appreciated. I understand removing the catalytic conventer will help and there are ECM changes that can be made, but does anyone have specifics?

Real dumb question, but is it possible that your bike is set in parade mode or Engine Idle Management System (EIMS I think) where you may have accidentally set it. I think post 2009 it’s an automatic configuration but you can bypass and force it into single cylinder operation. (I believe the ‘08s had problems and there was a factory reprogram required). There are quite a few forums that explain how you set and unset it . Here’s one:

http://www.hdtalking.com/touring_models/6467-rear_cylinder_shut_down.html

In terms of running hot and the upgrades you have, don’t worry, once the calluses grow thick, you won’t notice the heat.

aftaylor · « **Reply #33 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:45:42 PM »

I had the lower fairing removed, removed the cat via V&H dresser duals and had a new map installed that Fuelmotousa emailed me. The bike runs a lot cooler and has a lot more power. I believe the motor was running way too lean before the remapping.

I just want to say thanks to Fuelmotousa for emailing a new map to me for free.

Cvostu · « **Reply #34 on:** June 12, 2011, 06:18:17 PM »

that was nice of them

SteveO · « **Reply #35 on:** June 20, 2011, 01:39:24 PM »

Asbestos pants and lots of "Monkey Butt" powder...............or a Goldwing !!

Desert Jeff · « **Reply #36 on:** June 29, 2011, 06:05:49 PM »

Make sure the rear cylinder cut-off is programmed to be ON. This feature can be turned off or on. The owners manual explains how to check and change the setting. Hope this helps.

ultraswede · « **Reply #37 on:** June 30, 2011, 04:21:33 AM »

Here are my experiences re heat.

My sage 1 96" last year was running hot, not to the extent of being a rider problem,
but still hot.

For this season I built my engine, see sig.
This year the engine is running at a lower temp.
I found during V-tuning that the engine was hot again. like last year.
The simple remedy, that made a HUGE diff was that I set the "closed loop bias"
from.451 V (V-tuning) back to .781 V.

I am also running open loop 13,7/14,0 AFR, from 750 to 1250 rpm, all Mpa.
This make a big diff in idle heat, and the motor is stonger when releasing the clutch, compared to CL.

Those of you that use TTS, try this and See what you think.

NB, I still have my cat in place, runs cool and strong.
The cat is not the problem, it is heat from the cyl heads that roast you above "knee level"

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