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[bakon]

Want to start a thread for the new Navigation on the 2014 and up bikes. Like a running dialog to keep adding to and find an answer.
...couple of questions and figure anyone can add more questions so I can learn more

I been following some of the comments and wonder what program or site is easiest to plan the route?
I am pretty good on the HOG route planner site, but also noticed its slow and has some quirks at times saving...

Any hints or tricks to make easier?
like limit locations or way points, saw a comment on labeling them...

How about missing a waypoint, bike rerouting automatically or have to re-enter a new destination?

thanks in advance

[bakon]

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[cvosjoe]

Want to start a thread for the new Navigation on the 2014 and up bikes. Like a running dialog to keep adding to and find an answer.
...couple of questions and figure anyone can add more questions so I can learn more

I been following some of the comments and wonder what program or site is easiest to plan the route?
I am pretty good on the HOG route planner site, but also noticed its slow and has some quirks at times saving...

Any hints or tricks to make easier?
like limit locations or way points, saw a comment on labeling them...

How about missing a waypoint, bike rerouting automatically or have to re-enter a new destination?

thanks in advance

As far as route planning there are many products out there. The HD Route Planner is OK but I use Basecamp. Once you become familiar with it you can actually do a lot with it.

The latest software update 1.18.3 allows up to 100 waypoints/locations (it is not 100 per route but a total of all the imported routes) but over time you will need to remove items such as trips and saved waypoints/locations. There is an issue I discovered with removing waypoints/locations. If you look at several of my posts in the thread http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=99897.45 you'll get the drift of the issue.

The new software update now allows you to skip a waypoint. The route will automatically recalculate the route after you skip the next waypoint.

In the next software upgrade it would be nice if there was a recalculate setting that would give you the option of auto recalculate or a prompt with yes/no to recalculate.

[Cat Eye]

I like using basecamp but would rather us a web base app for ease and flexibility while on the road.  HD Ride Planner would be nice but as stated earlier it's not that reliable.

Seems like I alway find my way back to mapquest.

Been trying My Scenic Drive a couple of times but the server has been down.

[bakon]

What size thumb drive are you using? Are you loading music on it too and keeping it plugged into bike, or just upload a route and put the music thumb drive in?
I have seen some post of using one too big. I let my wife keep the HD one on her jewelry stand, I got to keep the bike...

I have been following your posts, that is kind of why I started this one. New to me so on a learning curve.

Does base camp or mapquest allow the download of a route and reload into the bike and how hard is it to delete location if I give it a label like you suggest?

[jagerbomb]

I had a garmin that I used on my 2011 CVOSE. I liked the fact that I would build a route on Mapsource and download it into the nav in just a few seconds. I was also able to modify the route easily. I now have a 2015 CVOSE that I am disappointed in how it's similar yet very different. You can download a route but then the bikes GPS recalculates your route by using waypoints. It changes my route that I selected on my computer. Hopefully they can address this and blutooth to my senna headset.

[cvosjoe]

What size thumb drive are you using? Are you loading music on it too and keeping it plugged into bike, or just upload a route and put the music thumb drive in?
I have seen some post of using one too big. I let my life keep the HD one on her jewelry stand, I got to keep the bike...

I have been following your posts, that is kind of why I started this one. New to me so on a learning curve.

Does base camp or mapquest allow the download of a route and reload into the bike and how hard is it to delete location if I give it a label like you suggest?

I use an 8GB thumb drive that I only use for routes. You have to put the gpx files in the root of the drive. You can export the route from basecamp or mapquest to your thumb drive. Waypoints/locations can be removed easily from the 6.5 Nav as long as they are created correctly but have to be done one at a time.

[cvosjoe]

I had a garmin that I used on my 2011 CVOSE. I liked the fact that I would build a route on Mapsource and download it into the nav in just a few seconds. I was also able to modify the route easily. I now have a 2015 CVOSE that I am disappointed in how it's similar yet very different. You can download a route but then the bikes GPS recalculates your route by using waypoints. It changes my route that I selected on my computer. Hopefully they can address this and blutooth to my senna headset.

When you create your routes in mapsource or base camp make sure you set the routing option for car not motorcycles. By doing this you'll have to use more waypoints to shape the route the way you want it. When you import the route into the new 6.5 Nav it will recalculate the same as it appears in the other mapping software.

[LV76]

Thanks for setting this thread up, will be following it closely, I had a 2011 FLTRUSE and used the garmin road tech GPS all the time I was very confident mapping out routes for out of the way rides, Now that i have the 2015 I'm not confident at all, was even contemplating purchasing a new garmin "Road Tech" and installing it on the bike and wiring it into the infotainment system, but seeing that there has been some progress in the software updates  to the navigation system making it somewhat and I say that loosly, I want to familiarize my self with it and hopfully it will be satisfying.

[bakon]

cvosjoe- do you leave the 8gb flash connected?

or download the gpx files, disconnect and use the port for something else like music?

its winter and asking questions now so I can know what I am doing soon enough.

I did play a little today- copied some iTunes library to a 2gb flash and plugged up to the bike. Got music to play, scrolled around some, but only display was song title or artist. I had read somewhere the album art would pop up.

[cvosjoe]

cvosjoe- do you leave the 8gb flash connected?

or download the gpx files, disconnect and use the port for something else like music?

its winter and asking questions now so I can know what I am doing soon enough.

I did play a little today- copied some iTunes library to a 2gb flash and plugged up to the bike. Got music to play, scrolled around some, but only display was song title or artist. I had read somewhere the album art would pop up.

I usually disconnect the drive after I load the files. My primary use of the USB is for my phone so it charges and I have music on it as a backup so if I'm in an area that does not have consistent XM reception. I have not paid much attention to notice if the album art shows. If I find out anything I'll let you know.

[bakon]

YOu are the expert so far..the xm radio, how do I activate? can I wait till April to save a few months? picked it up two weeks ago or so, but no riding here for quite a while.


But back to GPS-does the Infotainment system tell you if gpx file is too large? Display amount of memory used or anything?

[FLSTFI Dave]

When I play music from my iPhone 6 when plugged into the USB Album art work will display a few seconds into the song.  However I usually have the GPS map up, even when not using it for navigating.  It then will still show song playing or artist and song.

[cvosjoe]

YOu are the expert so far..the xm radio, how do I activate? can I wait till April to save a few months? picked it up two weeks ago or so, but no riding here for quite a while.


But back to GPS-does the Infotainment system tell you if gpx file is too large? Display amount of memory used or anything?

It's easy to activate. Go into the SirusXM setup, select Subscription then Radio. All the info you need is on the screen. I don't think waiting till spring is an issue as I have waited several months or more before activating radios on other bikes I have owned. I have never seen any expiration date on the free trial offer.

I have not seen any place that shows space used/remaining. When you run out of space it pops up a message stating that some of the trip failed to load. If you get into the habit of removing the trips and saved items before you import another trip you should be fine. Just make sure the trip doesn't have more than 100 waypoints/locations.

[WTF Chuck]

I used this site to build a  route for the 1st leg of a trip i am planing
the route is from VA to Austin TX has about 50 waypoints and 3 stops
It appears to load okay and when i hit go it shows on the map. have not had a chance to ride test it yet. This site has some neat features like finding scenic roads and then pulling them into your route.

https://www.myscenicdrives.com/road-trip-planner

[bakon]

looks like a nice sight. 50 points will be interesting to see if it works.

I got a two week ride planned late July. Pittsburgh to Seattle, down coast, inland to Mt Hood, back to coast, down to California, to Reno and Lonliest Road Rt 50 to Colorado...question- should I do separate route for each day, or one long loop, or muliple pieces???

Going to have hotel addresses and a couple roads we want to travel to enter.

[cvosjoe]

looks like a nice sight. 50 points will be interesting to see if it works.

I got a two week ride planned late July. Pittsburgh to Seattle, down coast, inland to Mt Hood, back to coast, down to California, to Reno and Lonliest Road Rt 50 to Colorado...question- should I do separate route for each day, or one long loop, or muliple pieces???

Going to have hotel addresses and a couple roads we want to travel to enter.

A seperate route for each day would probably work best.

[matthiasbeier]

In regards to the myscenicdrives site, I like it too.  What format do you use to save the routes in? is it the MS Street or Garmin GPX?  I cannot load the routes on my 2015 Road Glide.  Any ideas?

Thanks for your help.

[WTF Chuck]

I saved the as GPX

[bakon]

been playing with my scenic drive site. Easier to put in addresses of hotels and load in correct order compared to HOG ride planner.

HOG site liked to add next entered address to the end, even if across country. The scenicdrive site seems to know where to put it in order of stops.

Have not made an attempt to change routes or roads yet. I know the HOG site allowed it, but sometimes a few waypoints needed added to keep off an interstate or reroute to another road from the one it selected originally for the addresses entered. Get to that next.

Will have to play with the days part of the trip too. Like it gives options on breaking it down. Suprised this is a free site with all it offers so far.

[bakon]

HOG ride planner little easier to pick a road. make a waypoint and drag.

scenicdrive doesn't allow the drag from what I see, multiple waypoints around crater lake in Oregon to get the road I want.

[WTF Chuck]

I started playing around with tyretotravel last night for the 2nd leg of
trip because I have not been able to find a way to drag the road around
in scenicdrives. When you import the file from usb only pick the file you named do not pick all or any other file or you may have a lock up and have to do a factory reset. Here is a good video on importing a route

[bakon]

Good video- now the 100 point limit...is that per route he selected, or total of all the routes loading in the bike? from what I read its 100 total, correct??

And he only listed his waypoints as number 1 thru 4 or so....I saw you post about giving them a name in the edit box on scenicdrive...is that so you can delete individually, know where you are headed or both ...

I got a question a day probably because I cant really use it yet. -6 tonight, snow in drive and gps wont work in garage to play with it because satalites cant even be found when parked inside. SO doing this all in head....

[WTF Chuck]

Well Harley says 100 waypoints but I have not heard or seen anyone that has been successful with more than 55 way points and a few have tried and had lock up problems. The waypoint number is per route.

[WTF Chuck]

The best way I have found to use the GPS on the new bikes is while I am on a trip I look at a map and pick 6 to 10  small towns about 50 to 100 miles apart in the general direction that i want to head then in the morning i punch in each town name one at at a time hit go and let it calculate then do the next one they will be saved under recent. I then set Gps  to avoid highways and toll roads select twisty  or scenic
pick the 1St town and hit the road come to the 1st town select the next one and so on. using this method  the boom box has put me on many great roads that i would have never found it works very well. one word of caution do not follow the turn arrows on the bottom of the screen I have found about 7out of 10 times the arrow is wrong but the map is correct so follow the map. You can also do this all right on the touch screen by just moving around on the screen selecting the next location or general direction you want to go with the same settings above good luck and have fun. I am sitting here typing because its to cold to ride .6 degrees this morning in VA

[Boatman]

I should have known Chuck (14CVOUltra) would have found the youtube video of route(s) importing.   

[FLSTFI Dave]

one word of caution do not follow the turn arrows on the bottom of the screen I have found about 7out of 10 times the arrow is wrong but the map is correct so follow the map.

Sad that after more than 20 months with this head unit in production Harley Still can't get simple things right.  I have called after each and every update with this complaint. 

Sure miss the reliable Garmin on my new bike. 

[WTF Chuck]

Hey Dave

Well I saved the Garmin from my 12 and it is on the 14 now as backup
But you will laugh at the lash up I will get a picture sometime an post it

[FLSTFI Dave]

Hey Dave

Well I saved the Garmin from my 12 and it is on the 14 now as backup
But you will laugh at the lash up I will get a picture sometime an post it

Mine is on my 13 CVO King, but thinking about adding a mount on the 15 for it.

[bakon]

Harley calls 100 waypoints- here 55 maybe limit... per route...

So how many routes?

15 day trip, myscenicdrive will break into days, each day a route, or trip as 1 route?

Good info so far...I did play with the GPX files from myscenicdrive- had to download a Garmin program to look at them, haven't edited anything in gpx format, only on myscenicdrives site

[WTF Chuck]

So how many routes?
 
Well that is a good question. But i would suggest that you save the routes on a usb stick and just load a few at a time. The reason i say this is because it appears that if you fill up the memory on the  Boom Box the only way I have been able to recover it is to do a factory reset.  Just  one more big bug in the software. Your mileage may vary.
If anyone else has found a way to delete routes waypoints or any other files when the unit locks up I would like to know about it.

[bakon]

Going to play with this week. Weather breaking. Any thoughts on deleting routes form anyone? Do new routes over write the old ones when filled?

[bakon]

When you create your routes in mapsource or base camp make sure you set the routing option for car not motorcycles. By doing this you'll have to use more waypoints to shape the route the way you want it. When you import the route into the new 6.5 Nav it will recalculate the same as it appears in the other mapping software.

Any reason to set up as car and not motorcycle?

[cvosjoe]

Going to play with this week. Weather breaking. Any thoughts on deleting routes form anyone? Do new routes over write the old ones when filled?

As 14CVOultra has suggested I would save the trips/routes to a thumb drive and only load trips/routes that you are going to use for that day. I always delete any previously added trips/routes before I load new ones. New trips/routes do not replace existing ones when you add more. It eventually just fills up the available memory in the Navigation. 14CVOultra encountered an issue that locked his unit up when it became full and he had to do a factory reset. I have tried to load too many as well but mine did not lock up. It allowed me to delete the Trips and Saved without having to do a factory reset. As I mentioned before the only issue I have found when attempting to delete Trips and Saved is that if the Notes/Comment attribute of the waypoint is blank the only way you can remove it is to do a factory reset.

[cvosjoe]

Any reason to set up as car and not motorcycle?

Bakon,
As I mentioned in that post I have found that the Driving/Car setting when creating the route seems to work best. When the mapping software is set this way you will have to add more waypoints to shape the route to follow the roads that you probably would rather be on. I have found that a route created this way is more likely to be what you expect when you import into the navigation.

As with any navigation there are mapping issues that will cause problems such as the route and the road on the map don't line up. I have found this to be more of an issue on the new navigation especially when you have to turn or cross at a divided highway.

Myself and several others have been working with a local dealership to design local routes that would be plug and play for the new navigation systems. It has been challenging to say the least but it is coming along. Since these are local routes that range from 100 to 300 miles we can follow the route and make adjustments to compensate for issues with the navigation. That being said there are definitely issues that need to be addressed to make this an enjoyable experience for the average rider. As it is right now the new navigation would probably frustrate most riders to the point that they would not even use it.

[MGCVO]

cvosjoe- do you leave the 8gb flash connected?

or download the gpx files, disconnect and use the port for something else like music?

its winter and asking questions now so I can know what I am doing soon enough.

I did play a little today- copied some iTunes library to a 2gb flash and plugged up to the bike. Got music to play, scrolled around some, but only display was song title or artist. I had read somewhere the album art would pop up.

On a side note I use this app to edit the album art with pictures off my son. This way wile ridding I can see pics of my son, it keeps me from ridding like an @ss. LOL
http://www.mp3tag.de/en/download.html

[LV76]

cvosjoe,
Quote- "It allowed me to delete the Trips and Saved without having to do a factory reset. As I mentioned before the only issue I have found when attempting to delete Trips and Saved is that if the Notes/Comment attribute of the waypoint is blank the only way you can remove it is to do a factory reset."
We can delete trips and saved routes if the waypoints are titled and not left blank? please explain.
Thanks

[cvosjoe]

When you create a waypoint on a road that does not have a physical address it leave the Notes/Comments attribute blank. This causes a  problem with the new navigation. The new navigation uses this attribute when you select it in the Saved menu. Since it is blank it won't let you select it and therefore you can't delete it.

[LV76]

cvosjoe, thanks also what program have you been using for route/trip planning and titling waypoints that seems to be the most compatible with the new nav?

[cvosjoe]

cvosjoe, thanks also what program have you been using for route/trip planning and titling waypoints that seems to be the most compatible with the new nav?

I use Mapsource, Basecamp and sometimes the HD Ride Planner. The first 2 or more compatible with the new navigation than the Ride planner. There are others that you can use that work well. I believe if you read through this thread several others are mentioned.

[WTF Chuck]

cvosjoe,

Have you been able to load a route with 100 waypoints.

[cvosjoe]

So far my routes only have 20 or so waypoints. I could try and create a route with 100 waypoints to check it out but it's such a pain to remove them one at a time.

[bakon]

I think I am catching on...what are you naming waypoints, random things nearby or town names or numbers....do they show up as the next leg when riding the route or do you not see the name until removing the waypoint later?

[cvosjoe]

I think I am catching on...what are you naming waypoints, random things nearby or town names or numbers....do they show up as the next leg when riding the route or do you not see the name until removing the waypoint later?

Most times I leave the default name. I'll sometimes change the name if it's a scenic overlook, restaurant, gas station, etc. Yes, they show up as the next leg when the route is active.

[LV76]

cvosjoe,

I want thank you for your continued knowledgeable input on this topic, I'm trying to get myself up and running with this new to me nav system, I've gotten use to and comfortable with the HD road tech gps on my previous cvo and I keep telling myself to not purchase and install the HD road tech gps with handle bar mount on my 2015 due to my confidence in the former gps system compared to the new built in and more limited system.

Larry

[FLH91]

LV76,  Thats what I did, I installed the take off Garmin 665 off my old bike and put it on my '15 RGU.  That was before the 100 waypoint fix.  I think I'll still be very happy having the second system on board...Keep one on the route and use the other for finding POI's or surfing weather radar, etc..

[cvosjoe]

cvosjoe,

I want thank you for your continued knowledgeable input on this topic, I'm trying to get myself up and running with this new to me nav system, I've gotten use to and comfortable with the HD road tech gps on my previous cvo and I keep telling myself to not purchase and install the HD road tech gps with handle bar mount on my 2015 due to my confidence in the former gps system compared to the new built in and more limited system.

Larry

Larry,
Like you, until the new HD Navigation was released, my preferred navigation was the Garmin. Although, I will say that I have had issues with the Garmin as well, like roads on the map not lining up to the route correctly causing misdirection's. The nice thing about the Garmin is that it is definitely more motorcycle friendly and has features that make it easier to use along with settings that allow the user to fine tune the device to their needs.

The HD Navigation takes some getting use to but the routes can be manipulated to actually work fairly well. The problem is that if the intent was a plug and play navigation then the MOCo definitely missed the mark. 

Hopefully I'll have some more information on the HD Navigation in a bit. We are working with a local dealership and the MoCo with the hopes that we can get someone at corporate listen to our feedback on the issues and limitations of the new navigation. 

I will keep you all posted as I get more information.

Joe

[bakon]

The default name? Is mapsource and basecamp assigning the waypoints names? or are you making them a location?

I was using the myscenicdrives and the waypoint can be edited to put something in the notes like a name. But typically in myscenicdrive a waypoint is listed as "waypoint" and only has coordinates. Even when I add a name in the notes it still says waypoint in the list.

Maybe I need to change programs again? Sigh....

[cvosjoe]

The default name? Is mapsource and basecamp assigning the waypoints names? or are you making them a location?

I was using the myscenicdrives and the waypoint can be edited to put something in the notes like a name. But typically in myscenicdrive a waypoint is listed as "waypoint" and only has coordinates. Even when I add a name in the notes it still says waypoint in the list.

Maybe I need to change programs again? Sigh....

Yes, default name. Mapsource and Basecamp typically use the address or some sort of location (i.e. 123 Any Street or I 75 N) as the default name. Depending on the mapping software you can either change this name at the time of creation or when you edit it. From what you have described it sounds like myscenicdrives names the waypoints, waypoint 1, waypoint 2, etc.  I am not familiar with myscenicdrives but I would assume that you would be able to change the name.

The Notes/Comments is only used by the HD Navigation when it is selected from the Saved location. It uses this attribute for the title in the top menu bar of the screen after it has been selected. That is why there is an issue if you leave the Notes/Comment attribute blank. The waypoint names you see in the Saved list is the name of the waypoint whether it is the default or a name of your choosing. When the route is active, the HD Navigation uses the waypoint name to show in the next turn list and not the Notes/Comments attribute.

[bakon]

Thanks Joe
myscenicdrives works pretty good to plan, but all waypoints are just named waypoint from what I see. 10 of them on same ride all will be called same thing "Waypoint" . No numbers. Only thing different is coordinates.

I did export the myscenicdrives to desktop, then loaded it to basecamp....gives a bunch of little red flags, almost every turn it looks like...have to explore it more to see what it did with waypoints and such...

[bakon]

Made a route on my scenic drives. Just a 40 mile round trip back to house. Loaded fine onto thumb drive and into bike. Went to run it and it comes up fine until I try to "GO". It list the waypoints as "Turn left onto Rt 88" like its all directions. I only used waypoints, with no names when viewed on myscenicdrive, so the route wouldn't work. Even when I picked any one of the points from start to the last one turning on my street. Never gave any calculations or time of arrivals. I tried "calculate route" and "show route" all I would get a a quick "back" on the screen.
So I figure I screwed the planning up, and take a ride. Half way out I turn for home, hit "Home" and it lists my address, hit "go" and it flips to map but no route.  SO I try again, same thing. Turn off radio, back on, same thing, turn off bike in lot, turn on, same, I get no routes. Select a "Previous" Sunoco. Nothing , just back to map.
Display shows me going on the road I am on, everythin g else looks good. Checked preferences, switched to twisty, same thing, back to "fastest" still no route.
Must have froze up something with my bad route. So I stop and delete it. Turn off and on, still no route.
How do I and should I factory reset?

[cvosjoe]

Made a route on my scenic drives. Just a 40 mile round trip back to house. Loaded fine onto thumb drive and into bike. Went to run it and it comes up fine until I try to "GO". It list the waypoints as "Turn left onto Rt 88" like its all directions. I only used waypoints, with no names when viewed on myscenicdrive, so the route wouldn't work. Even when I picked any one of the points from start to the last one turning on my street. Never gave any calculations or time of arrivals. I tried "calculate route" and "show route" all I would get a a quick "back" on the screen.
So I figure I screwed the planning up, and take a ride. Half way out I turn for home, hit "Home" and it lists my address, hit "go" and it flips to map but no route.  SO I try again, same thing. Turn off radio, back on, same thing, turn off bike in lot, turn on, same, I get no routes. Select a "Previous" Sunoco. Nothing , just back to map.
Display shows me going on the road I am on, everythin g else looks good. Checked preferences, switched to twisty, same thing, back to "fastest" still no route.
Must have froze up something with my bad route. So I stop and delete it. Turn off and on, still no route.
How do I and should I factory reset?

I am not sure what happened with the route you created but it sounds like you will have to do a reset.

Hold down the Mute button and turn the bike on accessory. Continue to hold the Mute button until you see the Accept screen. Let go of the Mute button and press Accept. You will now see the system menu on the screen. Scroll down until you see Reset. Press Reset and select Pre-Cali Reset.  You will lose all your setting and have to set them all back up manually. Don't bother with the Save and Restore functions as they do not work.

[bakon]

Reset worked and now it will calculate after re-enter home address. Do I have to worry about software updates being reinstalled after a reset?


I think my problem with route might be all waypoints to make a circle and no destination at all? Just a guess. Try again Sat. Rain tomorrow.

[cvosjoe]

Reset worked and now it will calculate after re-enter home address. Do I have to worry about software updates being reinstalled after a reset?


I think my problem with route might be all waypoints to make a circle and no destination at all? Just a guess. Try again Sat. Rain tomorrow.

The reset does not affect the software updates.

[WTF Chuck]

When you guys are importing the routes they are being saved under trips correct. Because reading back a few messages it sounded like they were being saved under saved locations or am I not
understanding something.

[bakon]

Mine was under trips on the bike. Nothing went over to saved locations on my 40 mile one that didn't work. Only thing I could see was my home and a Sunoco under previous.

I don't know where I went wrong. I really like the myscenicdrives and am going to attempt to make another run at using it. I also got basecamp loaded in home computer and will give it a try if I screw the pooch again.

I saved as a GPX and it loaded fine. Found it under trips with correct name and when loaded listed a bunch of drop downs which appeared to be in order of the trip, they were just directions though, not actual stops or points. Like I said the myscenicdrive just had a list of waypoints, all the same name going down when I viewed the gpx files. Only thing different was coordinates. I did enter the notes and added a name to some, but could not find that when trip loaded and did not carry over to saved locations either. I did nothing fancy when planning trip, just found a few small towns, picked some roads to get there, round tripped it back to my house and used waypoints to get a route up. Saved as gpx, loaded it to bike.

Thinking possible reasons could be too many waypoints, or too many same name in a row "waypoint" or no destinations at all except my house? Or operator error somewhere but the only thing I never got were directions or a route or anything more on screen than the normal driving screen showing your location. Then I couldn't get any location to be routed to.  Try again.

[cvosjoe]

When you guys are importing the routes they are being saved under trips correct. Because reading back a few messages it sounded like they were being saved under saved locations or am I not
understanding something.

When you import a gpx file any routes are put into your Trips location. If everything is correct with the gpx file then all of the waypoints including start and destination are added to your Saved.

[Cat Eye]

While on a trip....sometimes in the evening I would take my Garmin to my hotel room and modify/enter a route for the next day.

With the infotainment system, to do this I will need to get the route loaded to a usb flash drive from some mapping program.

I know I can do this with a laptop.

What my question is, since I travel with an Ipad, does anyone know if you can load a routes from a web based mapping site like google map, my scenic drive, ride planner to create a route and load it to a USB flash drive via an Ipad?

[cvosjoe]

While on a trip....sometimes in the evening I would take my Garmin to my hotel room and modify/enter a route for the next day.

With the infotainment system, to do this I will need to get the route loaded to a usb flash drive from some mapping program.

I know I can do this with a laptop.

What my question is, since I travel with an Ipad, does anyone know if you can load a routes from a web based mapping site like google map, my scenic drive, ride planner to create a route and load it to a USB flash drive via an Ipad?

Try this link. It describes how to connect a thumb drive to an iPad.

[Cat Eye]

Try this link. It describes how to connect a thumb drive to an iPad.

Thanks....I going to give it a try

[WTF Chuck]

Mine goes in under trips on the bike. Nothing went over to saved locations.

[skratch]

Try this link. It describes how to connect a thumb drive to an iPad.

i watched the movie.  he says, you're gonna need a file manager, and mentions ifile available on cydia.  that means jailbroken.  is there an option that doesn't require being jailbroken (that you know of?)

[cvosjoe]

i watched the movie.  he says, you're gonna need a file manager, and mentions ifile available on cydia.  that means jailbroken.  is there an option that doesn't require being jailbroken (that you know of?)

Not that I am aware of.

[cvosjoe]

Mine goes in under trips on the bike. Nothing went over to saved locations.

That is strange. When you import do you Select All? When I import a gpx file I Select All and it puts the route under Trips and all of the waypoints it puts in the Saved. Not sure why there is a difference. Would be interesting to find out why we are getting different results.

[Cat Eye]

Does anyone know of a map/trip planning app that work well on an Ipad?

[cvosjoe]

Does anyone know of a map/trip planning app that work well on an Ipad?

Check out https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gps-map-toolbox/id438351943?mt=8

[WTF Chuck]

Joe
No do not select all just select the file that you named.
Have you looked at the video in reply 22

[cvosjoe]

Joe
No do not select all just select the file that you named.
Have you looked at the video in reply 22

I have now. I understand why they go into saved now. Thanks for the info.

[bakon]

Garmin Basecamp question....maps...how do I get more detailed map to load to PC? The Global map comes with download of Basecamp doesn't list the roads in my neighborhood and some of the best riding roads along the river. Just seems to have major roads even when zoomed all the way in.

I hooked up my Garmin to the PC and have CN NorthAmerica NT2014.40 which gives me detailed streets, but only when Garmin GPS is connected. Soon as I unplug gps the maps and roads disappear leaving my points in nowhere land again. I would need to carry the pc and garmin on trips then too.....

UPDATE- answer below is correct or just copy file from Garmin GPS (mine was J drive) and paste it where computer has other basic map listed, mine was C:Garmin/maps

[vinver]

Do you use agar in Express to update your maps? If you do check your settings. You have the option to update device, computer or both. I think the default is device and as a result you do not have an updated map on your computer. change the setting to 'computer' and then update and that should then do the trick.

[bakon]

Using Garman Express but don't see agar?  also can add a device but its asking to connect with usb port or an antenna? Sorry but even in settings for Garman express I don't see how to update the computer....I just am having difficulty on everything it seems....

[cvosjoe]

Using Garman Express but don't see agar?  also can add a device but its asking to connect with usb port or an antenna? Sorry but even in settings for Garman express I don't see how to update the computer....I just am having difficulty on everything it seems....

Bakon,
It's been a while since I have done a map update but vinver is correct. When using Garmin Express, on one of the first screens, I believe there is a hyperlink that says Advanced. When you select it, it gives you options to update the Map for the Device only, Computer only or both. Not sure if I have worded it correctly but the options are there.

[bakon]

Found it. on update screen when asked if ready to update. I was looking elsewhere. Head bang

[bakon]

Good so far with Basecamp. Updated, round trip 45 mile trip with waypoints to get the roads I wanted all worked good. Actually excellent. Liked it and directions went where I wanted when planned on pc in house.

Two questions
How do I skip a way point when riding? Skipped one intentionally "B" and went another road headed towards next in order of trip, waypoint "x" , gps redirected good trying to get me back to "B", but ignored instructions and kept going headed round to "X" the next waypoint. When I got to "X" it was trying to get me to turn to the skipped one instead of going home which followed "x".  SO how do you skip one on the trip?

And I didn't see the turn by turn at bottom, has the audio I was listening there...I know you said it didn't work well but I don't see it and when I select it to change, only takes me out of NAV and into the audio screen. I can change the two lower corner info screens by just selected them and selecting what I want them to be. Maybe bottom is in main menu of nav with the appearance? 

[cvosjoe]

Good so far with Basecamp. Updated, round trip 45 mile trip with waypoints to get the roads I wanted all worked good. Actually excellent. Liked it and directions went where I wanted when planned on pc in house.

Two questions
How do I skip a way point when riding? Skipped one intentionally "B" and went another road headed towards next in order of trip, waypoint "x" , gps redirected good trying to get me back to "B", but ignored instructions and kept going headed round to "X" the next waypoint. When I got to "X" it was trying to get me to turn to the skipped one instead of going home which followed "x".  SO how do you skip one on the trip?

And I didn't see the turn by turn at bottom, has the audio I was listening there...I know you said it didn't work well but I don't see it and when I select it to change, only takes me out of NAV and into the audio screen. I can change the two lower corner info screens by just selected them and selecting what I want them to be. Maybe bottom is in main menu of nav with the appearance?

Skip Next Waypoint:
To skip a waypoint you have to have software update 1.18.3. On the right side of the map you will see a small square box with 3 lines. Select this box and the screen will change to show your route options. You will see Stop, Skip Next Waypoint (route must be active to see SNW), etc,. Select Skip Next Waypoint.

Turn by Turn:
From the map go into the route options by selecting the small square box with 3 lines. Select Preferences (not sure if you have to scroll the options to see it). Scroll preferences to set Turn By Turn on. You can also turn on Lane Assist, Heading Up , 3D, etc,. When you go back to the map you will see the turn by turn below the audio display. If you select the turn by turn like you did with the audio it will display all the turns that you can scroll through. If you select a turn from the list you can zoom in on it. There are previous and next arrows that you can use while you are zoomed in to make sure they all look right.

[bakon]

OK got turn by turn to work but mine was by selecting "Next turn" in main appearances. The preferences on mine seemed not to have "Turn by Turn" but offered twisty and such. I do have same software 1.8.3 (most recent). Thing I didn't like on Next Turn was the left corner info was gone, which I had set to Distance to end. I always liked distance to end to know what I have left in the day. But the Next Turn worked great, even a nice count down and red bar scale which goes down as turn gets closer.

Also found skip next waypoint. Seemed to work, but got to make new route to see if it really was correct. Sent me off in direction I didn't think it would to go past skipped on to one after, but I could be wrong there. More time on that.

Can a route be started in the middle. Like I am three waypoints in and stop. Then cancel route to go off somewhere, not just turn off bike and restart, but end route in middle.
Next day I start off in middle of route, do I load it again? does it take me to Start to begin whole route or will if figure where I am at and continue on from closest waypoint?

[cvosjoe]

OK got turn by turn to work but mine was by selecting "Next turn" in main appearances. The preferences on mine seemed not to have "Turn by Turn" but offered twisty and such. I do have same software 1.8.3 (most recent). Thing I didn't like on Next Turn was the left corner info was gone, which I had set to Distance to end. I always liked distance to end to know what I have left in the day. But the Next Turn worked great, even a nice count down and red bar scale which goes down as turn gets closer.

Also found skip next waypoint. Seemed to work, but got to make new route to see if it really was correct. Sent me off in direction I didn't think it would to go past skipped on to one after, but I could be wrong there. More time on that.

Can a route be started in the middle. Like I am three waypoints in and stop. Then cancel route to go off somewhere, not just turn off bike and restart, but end route in middle.
Next day I start off in middle of route, do I load it again? does it take me to Start to begin whole route or will if figure where I am at and continue on from closest waypoint?

When you select the Trip it lists Start then all the waypoints. You can select the waypoint you want to start at.

To end the route you can use the voice activation and say Cancel Route Guidance or select the route options from the map and press Stop.

[bakon]

Thanks Joe
Saw the list, just wasn't sure it would continue trip PAST the waypoint or only go to that waypoint if selected. Pretty amazing actually some of the features. Glad you worked out bugs before I started playing with this.

[cvosjoe]

Thanks Joe
Saw the list, just wasn't sure it would continue trip PAST the waypoint or only go to that waypoint if selected. Pretty amazing actually some of the features. Glad you worked out bugs before I started playing with this.

[bakon]

Figured out skip next waypoint.

Next question. Hit  GO TO then go into SAVED, list the waypoints like I named them in the Notes of each point....SO I figure I can skip a route and it will just take me there, yes or no?

 But when riding the route and I toggle the bottom, get a list of turn by turn along with waypoints with a yellow flag, it lists them as an address, like 123 main st, but not the name like JOES SHOP....can I make it list names?

So when I have a long route, with multiple waypoints, and want to cut one off I would like to know by name which place it is, with just an address of 123 main st, I don't know what town that is..

also found a screen with DESTINATIONS while route was active, it lists a bunch of coordinates, no way I know what longatude and latitude if I don't know name...

[cvosjoe]

Figured out skip next waypoint.

Next question. Hit  GO TO then go into SAVED, list the waypoints like I named them in the Notes of each point....SO I figure I can skip a route and it will just take me there, yes or no?

 But when riding the route and I toggle the bottom, get a list of turn by turn along with waypoints with a yellow flag, it lists them as an address, like 123 main st, but not the name like JOES SHOP....can I make it list names?

So when I have a long route, with multiple waypoints, and want to cut one off I would like to know by name which place it is, with just an address of 123 main st, I don't know what town that is..

also found a screen with DESTINATIONS while route was active, it lists a bunch of coordinates, no way I know what longatude and latitude if I don't know name...

SAVED:
You can select any item from your Saved and get route guidance to your selection even if the Saved item is from a Trip.

Turn By Turn:
The turn by turn list uses the name of the waypoint not the notes. Change the name to something that identifies where it is on your route.

Destinations:
I haven't really done much with this option. When I look at mine on an active route it displays the waypoint name not the coordinates.

[Fast FLHX]

You know you can just use google maps.

http://www.hdforums.com/forum/new-rushmore-models/1004803-google-map-to-gpx.html

[bakon]

Seems google only allows 10 waypoints and is making individual trips out of the circle created in the video, or at least that is what the responding people have said. Would be fine except I need to plan a 2 week cross country route and pass it on to friends too.

But as to Base Camp route with waypoints-Unless I am still doing something wrong in creating the waypoints... I think my waypoints did not take on the name when listed in turn by turn. I am sure of this. It used address for the list of turns and yellow flags for the waypoint just had address like 123 Main st.. When I arrived at the waypoint it would show the name if it was a business selected on Base Camp, but usually still the address, and not the complete address with town name. I have gone back and checked every waypoint, including the name and notes to be sure. I changed the symbol on some, changed name slightly or completely to remove any address in the name.

The waypoints were listed in Saved correctly I believe, just not the turn by turn during a TRIP. Is there a way to start a trip from a waypoint in the middle?
Then I could just set detination to the SAVED waypoint list, when I get there start the remainder of the trip?

[bakon]

As a side note- I had cross country trip routed in Harley Planner. It lists stops at Best Westerns as a new route or part of route as new starting point. My selection of roads with waypoints were found to be VIA POINTS and I already know VIA Points don't work when placed in bike. When I brought the GPX file over to Base Camp to see some of the sections created, no roads or anything , just a beginning point and end point for the "days" or sections the Harley Planner made of it. I deleted the entire transfer, figure easier to just make new than fix each point and section.

[bakon]

Removed everything. Cleared all saved (which I found duplicate SAVED with same name, same address, all info looked good, Guess in importing route when I SELECT ALL it is adding all waypoints again, even if already in SAVED.

So delete all routes too. Checked route in Basecamp again, export it to thumb drive, reload into bike, SELECT ALL. Check and all waypoints in SAVED correct. Check route and let it calculate. First turn pops up correct and then check list of turns...waypoints are in correct order, roads look good, but waypoints list a number in front of name, example 3112 Joes Bike Shop.

These numbers are the numbers from the street address. All waypoints are including this. In the name and notes I have no numbers. I never entered any numbers, Base Camp put the numbers in STREET along with road. They are correct numbers and street, just somehow from Base Camp to Infotainment navigation on bike the numbers from address get added to front with name. Checking the SAVED of same location shows everything correctly formatted too.

I can decipher the location now that I know what to look for...anyone else see this with waypoints on route?

[WTF Chuck]

 Do not select all just select the file that you named.

[cvosjoe]

Removed everything. Cleared all saved (which I found duplicate SAVED with same name, same address, all info looked good, Guess in importing route when I SELECT ALL it is adding all waypoints again, even if already in SAVED.

So delete all routes too. Checked route in Basecamp again, export it to thumb drive, reload into bike, SELECT ALL. Check and all waypoints in SAVED correct. Check route and let it calculate. First turn pops up correct and then check list of turns...waypoints are in correct order, roads look good, but waypoints list a number in front of name, example 3112 Joes Bike Shop.

These numbers are the numbers from the street address. All waypoints are including this. In the name and notes I have no numbers. I never entered any numbers, Base Camp put the numbers in STREET along with road. They are correct numbers and street, just somehow from Base Camp to Infotainment navigation on bike the numbers from address get added to front with name. Checking the SAVED of same location shows everything correctly formatted too.

I can decipher the location now that I know what to look for...anyone else see this with waypoints on route?

Bakon,
14CVOultra pointed out that you do not have to Select All when importing the route. When you import you will see a list of route(s) and waypoints(s) that you can select individually. Typically the first item in the list after the Select All is the route. Just select this one when you import. It will not save any of the waypoints/locations into the Saved. If you have waypoints on your route that you want to put into Saved then select them individually before proceeding with the import. For example you might create some waypoints or locations like a city, scenic overlook, etc, that you might want to keep in your Saved. After 14CVOultra pointed this out I find that it is easier as you only have to get rid of the Trips.

I have noticed the same as you with the number but I can not find any correlation to the name or notes. I have a city where the city name and the notes are identical and there is no address yet the turn by turn list shows 130 cityname. Don't know why it does this.

If you want to start a Trip from the middle, when you select the Trip, you will see Start then a list of the waypoints/locations. Scroll the list to the waypoint you want to start at. The navigation will route you to that waypoint based on your preferences and then the Trip will follow the remaining waypoints to the destination.

[bakon]

I really appreciate all the help.  I did load a route without select all and the route is typically next item. I also tried select all and you are correct on when the items show up in SAVED. I was afraid I couldn't start in middle without being SAVED, but did notice the list when selecting route...guess I was hoping with more info on the waypoints the number would go away.

If you are seeing same thing with a number (number of address is what I find it to be) then I feel its the infotainment navigation processing the points and assigning it with name. Probably takes coordinates for location and figures its own street address for the point, then places those numbers from street address but not street, in front of the name we gave it... just a guess there. Bet it could be an easy fix for who programs the information displayed after the route is calculated. Looks like the system might need to know the street number and name, but we only need a name we give the point. Who ever programmed the display info added the numbers, maybe not intentional but to double check it was calculating spot correct.(Again a guess here)

reason for my thinking...I have a waypoint which has no numbers at all. It a bridge and my point is in the middle. I named it CLAIRTON BRIDGE in name and notes. It has no street address listed in Base Camp and not a recognized landmark there either for Base Camp to give it a number...

So my thinking is just as we know the exact route is not copied over, but points and infotainment nav makes its route from those points (think I am correct on this) then my waypoint with no physical number in any programming software is being given one by the bike when "route is calculated."

[bakon]

Some observations:  Loop route starting at my home. Big 75 mile circle.
1----Started route about 5 waypoints in. Directed to point fine and began route. The directions were good and the bottom NEXT TURN instructions were correct.
The instruction can be highlighted and whole list of turns and waypoints could be viewed but they were not correct after hitting that waypoint I skipped to. In fact it was listing the very first turns I had skipped. The ones close to home. It also listed the waypoints by number and street names, not the name I gave them. Turn off bike and restart route, same thing on names but directions looked good.

2---So stop again somewhere near the middle...Restart route from beginning START point. The system tries to direct me back to my home where it begins instead of starting from where I am at and completing the loop. That makes sense..so I skip waypoints until I am caught up to the point I am actually at. About 8-10 points. Have to let it recalculate for each one I skip, cant just skip real fast in a row....but I got good results, the waypoints went back to being a number before the name I gave them. Like the street address number then my name, but still easier to figure out then number and street name when dealing with multiple little towns... Alll works good.

3-- So I pick an end waypoint I have in SAVED and add it to route....never displayed the turns, distance to end or recalculated correctly... not sure what happened there. Cancel route.

4---So I go into SAVED and pick same waypoint. Routes perfect, cuts back the best and fastest way to get there, ends all good.
Quit on the high note.

[bakon]

New Route Today- waypoints listed by number (I didn't give) and name I give them. Only saved the route when IMPORT, not the points, worked fine. No skipping around today, but did see the bike wanted to take me up on a toll road for a faster route, then stay down on two lane roads between two waypoints. Base Camp Routed it staying on two lanes so I thought bike would. First time they didn't match on main route to me.

Pulled off, choose SCENIC for ROUTE PLANNING- recalculated but no change in which roads the bike wanted. Then picked TWISTIES- again no change...even stated it was recalculating. Turned bike off then back on, reselected- still wanted the toll road interstate over the backroads- figure backroads were 10 miles longer in between the two waypoints but still wanted that highway.

Way back it did take me on a cow path of sorts, to the toll road again, instead of along the river and two lane roads up. Figure about same distance. So it did find twisties, but really a worse route with half toll road interstate and the twisty would not be one I picked at one lane in parts.

Guess I need to keep on FASTEST ROUTE for ROUTE PLANNING and add a few more waypoints in Base Camp to force down on roads I want. What I saw on Basecamp needs to be checked when loaded in bike.

[vinver]

Hi,

Personally I would always have both Basecamp and pike set to 'fastest route' and add more waypoints to my route. To avoid the stem getting cluttered I would keep (all) my routes on a USB stick and import and delete the route I wanted. it will keep your system clean and tidy and easier to manage (although I am guilty of being a little 'anal' about these things)

The more waypoints you select the less choice you give the system to calculate it in a different manner.

Good helpful thread!

Vincent

[cvosjoe]

Hi,

Personally I would always have both Basecamp and pike set to 'fastest route' and add more waypoints to my route. To avoid the stem getting cluttered I would keep (all) my routes on a USB stick and import and delete the route I wanted. it will keep your system clean and tidy and easier to manage (although I am guilty of being a little 'anal' about these things)

The more waypoints you select the less choice you give the system to calculate it in a different manner.

Good helpful thread!

Vincent

 

[WTF Chuck]

Bakon

Set your avoidance to avoid highways, tollroads and select scenic or twisty and then it should work

[bakon]

Thanks guys- all is well. Will try Sunday and see what happens.

[Cat Eye]

Maybe I am late to the game.
But I have been a fan of Basecamp....a little bit of a learning curve...but once you understand how the program works it is the bomb!

And now, I just learned about their Cloud Data Sync which makes this program even more fantastic.
So now I can plan my trips on my PC in my office.....drag my trips to the my Cloud Data.

Since I travel with a Mac Notebook which has Basecamp installed on it and syncs to the my Cloud Data....all my trips are there!

But what I really like about it is while I'm traveling, if I want to add/modify a route, I open my notebook, at my hotel, in a restaurant or along the side of the road....cause it also works without internet access....export the trip to flash drive then import to infotainment and good to go.

Now if they only offered Basecamp in a web based thin-client....BAM!

[Fast FLHX]

Tried to make a route with google maps and convert it to GPX via GPS Visualizer.  Did not work out.  I ended up have to use the harley website, and even then my trip was split in two.

Not sure what is going on.

[bakon]

My only experience with Harley site exporting did not work well. I have great luck planning one there, poor luck saving it to their site at times. But when exported it made the waypoints a VIA POINT which didn't register to the infotainment system correct. Or to base camp very well either..I stated earlier I deleted it from Base Camp thinking it would be easier to remake it than to fix all of it.

[92fxsts]

I read earlier in the thread that someone removed all the SAVED locations.  HOW?  I have tried every button and link I can find and have not found anything to remove saved locations.  I imported a route and it came in several times and said the system memory was full.  Can't save any more and can't delete any saved.

[WTF Chuck]

Well the only way I have been able to delete stuff after the memory is full is to do a
factory reset.

see below #6

To enter the service menu:

1) Turn ignition off and wait 15 seconds
2) Press and hold power/mute button.  Turn ignition to accessory.
3) Continue to press power button for 2 seconds after warning screen is displayed.
4) Release power/mute button and accept warning

The service menu will display the following options:

1)  DTCS
2)  Audio  a) EG (serves no purpose)  b) Speaker test(s)
3)  Display  (test the LCD display briteness and color consistency)
4)  Key input   (test the faceplate hard keys, handlebar switches, and passenger controls)
4)  Component menus (XM and Satellite Digital Audio Radio Service)
     a)  Module version-displays the XM versions
     b)  Subscription info
     c)  Signal status
     d)  XM antenna state (unsupported, detected, not detected, short, and unknown)
     e)  Tone generation  (allows for generating left or right audio tone generated by the xm
          module)
     f)   Navigation setting (no diagnostic value)
     g)  GPS status (displays a graphical representation of GPS satellite position&signal strength)
     H)  Tuner-displays the current frequency, signal strength, RDS/RBDS info for each tuner.   
          If the signal is unavailabe or out of range, the display may show dashes instead of a   
          value.
     I)   Compass indicates current direction
5)  Version information (sub menus show navigation and database versions but offer no diagnostic
     help.
6)  Reset
     a)  Precalibration reset-restores factory settings-recommended when there are no problems or
          DTCS..
     b)  Post calibration save-Archives customer settings after post calibration reset
     c)  Post calibration reset-Resets radio default settings and restores customer data stored in
          post calibration save
     d)  Privacy reset-clears private data (phone pairing, phone #'s, presets, navi history)
7)  Touchscreen Calibration 6.5 only
     Calibrate the touchscreen by pressing the center of the displayed target.  The target moves
     to a new location on the screen after each press for a total of 3 presses.  Press accept
     for the calibration to update.

[92fxsts]

The reset worked, everything is gone      
Thanks !!!

[WTF Chuck]

Glad it worked for you.
If you want to delete stuff saved without the memory full go to saved items pick one then go to right side of screen click the center and you should see some options and one should be delete.
Good luck

[FLH91]

OK, what am I doing wrong....  I loaded a Garmin Basecamp trip onto a thumb drive.  The trip only has about 5 waypoints.  When I plug the thumb drive into the USB port on the bike it displays "no playable media found". (or something to that effect).  When I plug the drive back into the computer it shows the .GPX file along with another file.  When I click the .GPX file, it opens basecamp and the route is there....  Also, when I drill down to the Nav menu/import files/USB device and click on USB device, it displays "no contact or Nav file found on device" (or something to that effect).  I'm sure its me, this is the first time I've tried to load a nav file onto the bike...
Thanks in advance!
Dave

[WTF Chuck]

What did you name the file and is it in the root directory.

[FLH91]

I just named it for the city we rode to today.  No idea on the "root directory"  Do you mean in Basecamp? or in the thumb drive?

[ultrafxr]

I just named it for the city we rode to today.  No idea on the "root directory"  Do you mean in Basecamp? or in the thumb drive?

In a computer file system that is organized as a hierarchy or tree, the root directory is the directory that includes all other directories.

In other words, do not put the .gpx file in a folder - just copy the file directly to the thumb drive. 

[bakon]

Sounds like you also need to get into Navigation and IMPORT the route from the thumb drive. Just plugging it in to bike doesn't bring up the IMPORT commands.

When you select import it will give you options like your phone or the name of the thumbdrive. Open the thumb drive and find your City name for route.

[FLH91]

OK, what am I doing wrong....  I loaded a Garmin Basecamp trip onto a thumb drive.  The trip only has about 5 waypoints.  When I plug the thumb drive into the USB port on the bike it displays "no playable media found". (or something to that effect).  When I plug the drive back into the computer it shows the .GPX file along with another file.  When I click the .GPX file, it opens basecamp and the route is there....  Also, when I drill down to the Nav menu/import files/USB device and click on USB device, it displays "no contact or Nav file found on device" (or something to that effect).  I'm sure its me, this is the first time I've tried to load a nav file onto the bike...
Thanks in advance!
Dave

So could my problem be that I'm using a Macbook Pro??  I'm using basecamp and transferring the map right to the drive.  The bike appears to see the drive but not the file.

[bakon]

I don't know MAC stuff. I do know I can see my .gpx file on the thumbdrive when in computer or when plugged into bike with windows

[FLH91]

My Mac see's the .GPX file on the drive but my bike does not.....hmmm, Glad I've already mounted my Garmin 665 on the bike as well....
Frustrating

[vinver]

Hi

Flying a little blind here but I have basecamp and a Macbook Pro and it works for me.

1) ensure that your USB stick is formatted in the Windows FAT format and not a MacBook format.
2) rather than saving the route directly onto your Thumdrive, highlight the folder in which the route lives (in Basecamp) and then export the whole folder by going to file and selecting export

You should be OK. Not sure but my guess is tat you have not formatted the USB stick in the correct format so if you complete step 1 you should be good.

Keep us posted.

Vincent

[FLH91]

Hi

Flying a little blind here but I have basecamp and a Macbook Pro and it works for me.

1) ensure that your USB stick is formatted in the Windows FAT format and not a MacBook format.
2) rather than saving the route directly onto your Thumdrive, highlight the folder in which the route lives (in Basecamp) and then export the whole folder by going to file and selecting export

You should be OK. Not sure but my guess is tat you have not formatted the USB stick in the correct format so if you complete step 1 you should be good.

Keep us posted.

Vincent

Thanks Vincent, I agree on step one.  Next question, How do I format the Flash drive to windows FAT?

Dave

[FLH91]

I'm still unsure how to format a thumb drive to Windows FAT while using a Mac.  I may end up going to the Mac store in town and ask them.  I'm also going to try a different thumb drive when I get the bike bike from the dyno tuner...  I'll keep you posted!

[vinver]

It really is quite straight forward. Please PM me and I will outline. I think the moderator is keen for the conversation thread to remain 'on topic'.

Vincent

[bakon]

As original poster...please post format info here, as long as we stay towards routing and navigation I believe others might find it useful if they have same problem.

Music has its own threads however.

[FLH91]

OK, I just had to do the 18.3 software upgrade.  not too bad, just had to unzip the file on the outer and then load the larger file on the flash drive and then the bike....  First time I've ever had to do a software upgrade on a harley, just sounds weird!  Anyway WHoot Whoot, its done... 

Now back to my map issue, stand by...

[FLH91]

OK, I think I got it.  What I figured out is that once the trip is transferred from Basecamp to the thumb drive, I had to drill down to the actual .GPX files inside the folder on the drive that transferred from Basecamp.  I could't figure out how to do it before transferring, so I just did it after putting it on the drive.  Once I did that, I was all set! 

Tomorrow is my first day trip using a route in the HD Nav system.  You better believe I also have the route loaded up in my trusted 665 just in case....

Pretty excited!  I figured something else out in the bike!!  Whoot Whoot!

Thanks Vinver for you help!!

[FLH91]

well it in't perfect...  I did get it the trip loaded on the bike but the route is different than the way it looked on Basecamp....

Do I need more waypoints along the way to make it go the way I want to???

[Cat Eye]

well it in't perfect...  I did get it the trip loaded on the bike but the route is different than the way it looked on Basecamp....

Do I need more waypoints along the way to make it go the way I want to???

Using way Basecamp, I would use shaping waypoint not waypoints.  The diffence is that the GPS will announce waypoints.

[bakon]

I used waypoints after having "Via points" not work for me. I don't care if it announces a road I picked so much.

[jagerbomb]

I've been extremely disappointed in the way it was behaving when using the Harley planner. I would manually drag the roads around to go on a particular route and the bike would reroute. I then tried the workaround of putting a bunch of waypoints in. Now my music was constantly interrupted announcing data about impending waypoints. Last night I decided to see if I could get one of the routes I had made in mapsource to work. I was able to save a  particularly complicated 300 mile route in the GPX format. I loaded it in the bike, set the preference to twisty and it worked perfectly! We went on that ride today and it was flawless. I had a Garmin on my old bike and loved it, now I'm thrilled with the nav on my new 2015 SESG.

[bakon]

How do you stop a route when running. Like just end it. Without  a headset hooked up to use voice command.

[HighOnHD]

I know that one. Look on the middle right of the screen and see this "little" list icon. Touch it and it has a stop selection. This is the first thing (and almost only thing) I had to read the manual to figure out. Otherwise it keeps interrupting the music !!

[bakon]

yep-  routed to home today, even though I knew route, was killing all the good tunes

[bakon]

Used on 660 mile trip one way. Perfect. Route to Home back and good but got a couple of the road directions for NEXT STREET on bottom of screen backwards. Voice would say left and be correct but would show right on bottom of screen.   Also used to plan some short sightseeing trips, all went well. Using base camp to plan.

Base camp however is still not the best thing when searching for a place. Doesn't like to find a known address to hotel or place of interest. Even if I enter the entire address it wont find it at times but gives close matches, which may or may not be close. Find myself using two maps to find a point, find it on one map in any program, see whats close, then try and find it on Base Camp. Then pick it on base camp as waypoint. Works, but just double work for known hotel address at times.

[Rollybrick]

Hi
I've recently sold my 2010 CVO Ultra with a Harley Roadtech sat nav (which I successfully programmed to take me all over the UK and Europe) for a new 2015 CVO Limited. Like many of the comments on the forum, I've had real trouble getting rides planned on Basecamp to "work correctly". However.....my problem; I've just been in contact with my local Harley dealer because I wanted to put "speed camera" POI's onto the Boom Box sat nav. After lots of emails and conversations the reply came back from the UK Harley Northern Territory Manager "it is not possible because the system was not made in the UK". What a load of rubbish! Garmin isn't made in the UK neither is Tom Tom, and neither is the Harley Roadtech which can accept speed cameras. Who in this day an age produces a motorcycle sat nav that can't import speed cameras. A £30,000 Harley that's who!

[OBB]

Well, after having some issues due to my lack of reading the Boom owner's manual or this thread, I think I've got everything planned and loaded for a trip starting this Fri to Kerrville, Tx. Tried to load 3 days worth of routes with each one averaging 9 stops and ran out of memory. Cleared all the saved stuff, renamed the stops as waypoints and selected just the route when loading into the bike. Now the only saved locations are the beginning and end stops from each day. I may go back in and rename the waypoints (via points as the Boom calls them) just to be easier for me to bypass them if needed. Hope like hell I've done enough reading. Will update later this week.

[Cat Eye]

Well, after having some issues due to my lack of reading the Boom owner's manual or this thread, I think I've got everything planned and loaded for a trip starting this Fri to Kerrville, Tx. Tried to load 3 days worth of routes with each one averaging 9 stops and ran out of memory. Cleared all the saved stuff, renamed the stops as waypoints and selected just the route when loading into the bike. Now the only saved locations are the beginning and end stops from each day. I may go back in and rename the waypoints (via points as the Boom calls them) just to be easier for me to bypass them if needed. Hope like hell I've done enough reading. Will update later this week.

I just got back from a 8 day trip in the Smokey Mts.
I had 8 different routes loaded with about 8 to 15 shaping waypoints/route...loaded from Base Camp.

The size of the GXP files/route were just under 500KB.  So this is less than 4MB of routes loaded for my trip.

You stated that you ran out of memory....does anyone know what the memory limit is on this boom and what things are the memory hogs?  ....ie address book, recording tracks...ect

Thanks

[Harley Guy]

Well, after having some issues due to my lack of reading the Boom owner's manual or this thread, I think I've got everything planned and loaded for a trip starting this Fri to Kerrville, Tx. Tried to load 3 days worth of routes with each one averaging 9 stops and ran out of memory. Cleared all the saved stuff, renamed the stops as waypoints and selected just the route when loading into the bike. Now the only saved locations are the beginning and end stops from each day. I may go back in and rename the waypoints (via points as the Boom calls them) just to be easier for me to bypass them if needed. Hope like hell I've done enough reading. Will update later this week.

Good luck and have a GREAT Trip.

I have a Middle Tennessee trip in three weeks, so I would appreciate your follow up after your trip.

RIDE ON...........

[bakon]

20 day trip planned. plan on loading it day by day and deleting previous day as we go.... might try loading it all at home right now to see if it takes it in memory

[OBB]

Good luck and have a GREAT Trip.

I have a Middle Tennessee trip in three weeks, so I would appreciate your follow up after your trip.

RIDE ON...........

Working as it should as far as hitting the waypoints and such. Weird thing is heading west on TX 123 or whatever the route  number was heading for Waco and knew we needed 35 S. Unit was telling me at the bottom to take 35N up to the point of decision time and then it corrected itself. Know your routes you will run and use the GPS as a crutch to know how far from your next point is. Still a lot of features I haven't bothered to try to use for sure. Satellite weather comes in very handy and so do the traffic alerts.
Another thing you can do is rename your waypoints on your mapping software. Wished I would have done that.

[bakon]

OBB- how did your waypoints work out?

Anyone having a different or new problem, or reoccurring one from old update to new?

I have reread entire thread and all I can say was the mapping program is still a very important item for planning....each one has its quirks and restrictions but I am sticking to basecamp for now

as for just riding and adding as you go, this works pretty good however pre-planning roads requires some homework to get bike to route...

Important fact to remember is the exact route isn't really copied...the points are saved and transferred to the unit, which then plans route itself,....so roads need to have a waypoint planned if you really want that road

also the unit memory isn't known yet, so removing old items is important

[OBB]

OBB- how did your waypoints work out?

Anyone having a different or new problem, or reoccurring one from old update to new?

I have reread entire thread and all I can say was the mapping program is still a very important item for planning....each one has its quirks and restrictions but I am sticking to basecamp for now

as for just riding and adding as you go, this works pretty good however pre-planning roads requires some homework to get bike to route...

Important fact to remember is the exact route isn't really copied...the points are saved and transferred to the unit, which then plans route itself,....so roads need to have a waypoint planned if you really want that road

also the unit memory isn't known yet, so removing old items is important

Routes were done with ride planner. Followed it well. Don't make your waypoints stops, you'll fill the memory quick! Make them waypoints but you can rename them. Choosing scenic is a great feature if you're just going point A to point B also. Still not as friendly as the 660 I had in the 11 but I can live with it because of the weather and traffic. XM was great on this trip also with all the open roads we took.

[tdkkart]

Anyone had an issue with the Nav system adding trips around the block to your pre-planned routes??

 We bought our bike while in Texas attending the same event OBB was at.
 After unsuccessfully trying to get the dealer service folks to help me transfer maps from the Ride Planner website to my bike,
(they looked at me like I was drunk when I explained what I wanted/needed to do, then claimed none of the 50 people working in the place would have a USB thumbdrive), I found a member of our group that did it about 30 seconds(Thanks PeeWee).

 Several times while traveling 2 lane roads in Texas and Oklahoma, when we came to a small town the GPS would try to send me on a trip around the block
in the middle of town. Not going to a waypoint or address, just a trip around the block, and that's exactly how it showed up on the map.
Also, if the road we were following made a turn in the middle of town, or we were changing roads in the middle of town, the GPS would send us zig-zagging through town to the next road rather than go to the proper intersection and make the turn.

 Most of these I just went the normal way, which I could plainly see on the screen, and it had no issue with it. Finally, it tried to make me do something weird, trip around the block or something, and once I skipped over it's silliness it continually insisted that I needed to go back and make that move even though I was following the rest of the planned route. 50 miles later I finally had to stop, stop the GPS's planned route, then start it over again and everything as fine.

Technology is wonderful..........

[skratch]

for those 'trips around the block' it may be that your waypoint is set off the main road.  I had this issue a couple of times when I first started using my zumo and basecamp.  if I created a route in basecamp, and then transferred it to the zumo, every now and again I would have one of those weird things.  it wasn't until after I learned that before transferring the route to the zumo, you have to blow it up to a large scale and follow it from start to finish to 'verify' that it doesn't do that.  it's really bad if you place a waypoint on the southbound side if your on a northbound route.  it'll make you do a U-turn and circle back to it, then U-turn again to continue on your route.

[bakon]

ditto on scratch's input...where the point is located can cause this but I have seen a few shortcuts through a neighborhood that nobody in their right mind would take unless the road was closed.

[tdkkart]

for those 'trips around the block' it may be that your waypoint is set off the main road.  I had this issue a couple of times when I first started using my zumo and basecamp.  if I created a route in basecamp, and then transferred it to the zumo, every now and again I would have one of those weird things.  it wasn't until after I learned that before transferring the route to the zumo, you have to blow it up to a large scale and follow it from start to finish to 'verify' that it doesn't do that.  it's really bad if you place a waypoint on the southbound side if your on a northbound route.  it'll make you do a U-turn and circle back to it, then U-turn again to continue on your route.

 Well aware of the waypoint issue, and I looked both then and that night at my routes in Ride Planner, I didn't have any waypoints anywhere near where I was. I try to use as few waypoints as possible, only enough to keep the track I want, and when I do use one I try to put it way out in the country so there's no confusion, and even then I do the zoom way in deal to make sure it's on my path.

[Cat Eye]

I have gotten burned using Ride Planner....you really need to zoom in make sure your waypoint is exactly on the road you want.

I put a waypoint on Interstate 95 and it had me doing a loop back and forth....I then realized the waypoint was on the northbound land while all I wanted to do is go south.

[bakon]

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=100182.0;all

Link above to last years discussion and figuring out the best routing programming for the new Harley Infotainment center GPS.  Lots of info but some has been updated and still moving.

So to cut 10 pages and start another tip thread for this coming riding season.

Please post what program and shortcuts you have found to help others.

Thanks again.

[bakon]

I have stuck with the Garmin routing program BaseCamp.

I just updated the map on my old Garmin Nuvi and the laptop to City Navigator North American NT 2017.1

To update I used the Garmin program Garmin Express.  The program first updated the Nuvi (I only use to get these maps as I paid for lifetime maps a few years back) then I reopened the Garmin Express and hyperlink MAP OPTIONS button. This opened second page where at the bottom it asks if I want to update the computer.  So much easier this year....

Also I used this program to route a cross country trip last year. 13 days with 13 routes. Worked perfect. Loaded them all on thumb drive and transferred to my cvo and a 2014 Limited. Once in a while he would not Skip a waypoint. Only other note was some time zones were off, but there is a new radio update...

One last item, I got a free map update in the bike by downloading a fingerprint and receiving the map online. There was a thread for this and changing the file name to get it to "Authenticate"... My buddies Limited did not qualify and asked him to pay for the map. We didn't update his.

[bakon]

new thread started for 2016 seems to be taken down for some reason....so those who made it through 10 pages to this year.....

I have stuck with the Garmin routing program BaseCamp.

I just updated the map on my old Garmin Nuvi and the laptop to City Navigator North American NT 2017.1

To update I used the Garmin program Garmin Express.  The program first updated the Nuvi (I only use to get these maps as I paid for lifetime maps a few years back) then I reopened the Garmin Express and hyperlink MAP OPTIONS button. This opened second page where at the bottom it asks if I want to update the computer.  So much easier this year....

Also I used this program to route a cross country trip last year. 13 days with 13 routes. Worked perfect. Loaded them all on thumb drive and transferred to my cvo and a 2014 Limited. Once in a while he would not Skip a waypoint. Only other note was some time zones were off, but there is a new radio update...

One last item, I got a free map update in the bike by downloading a fingerprint and receiving the map online. There was a thread for this and changing the file name to get it to "Authenticate"... My buddies Limited did not qualify and asked him to pay for the map. We didn't update his

[cvosjoe]

bakon,
The new update appears to have fixed the time zone issues. The DST setting does not seem to function properly. Don't know if you have fooled around with Preferred under POIs but this is a neat feature. Also, to get a little extra viewing area on the map when you have Next Turn enabled, if you press and hold the Nav button on the radio faceplate you can toggle the audio source on the map display off and on. You can also initiate the map selector without having to touch the screen. Just thought I'd share this information.

[bakon]

I didn't know of those features, but will try the toggle for sure. I set up for next turn on bottom and wish I could change the radio easier at times.

[DavidG_TKSE]

I like using basecamp but would rather us a web base app for ease and flexibility while on the road.  HD Ride Planner would be nice but as stated earlier it's not that reliable.

Seems like I alway find my way back to mapquest.

Been trying My Scenic Drive a couple of times but the server has been down.

I've started using MyRoute-app, http://www.myrouteapp.com/, so far so good.

[bakon]

Been six months since I ran a route. Have to brush up for this year