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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2016, 01:26:11 PM »

We will be doing Demo rides at the Harley shop Saturday and Sunday of the Maggie Valley GTG.
Stop over try a few!


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That's a good place for you and the HD reps sir.

Will kool-aid be served?


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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2016, 09:09:28 PM »

That's a good place for you and the HD reps sir.

Will kool-aid be served?


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Nope,  no money.
Kool-Aid isn't in the budget since the 2017 Duct Tape experimental hand grips were such a loser.
As the reps told me, not every idea is a winner.
Maybe 2018.

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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2016, 09:13:20 PM »

Any chance you can pull some strings and get us at least a private viewing of the new bikes on Fri evening?

I'll check.
Hope you are getting better!

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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2016, 09:13:53 PM »

I'll check.
Hope you are getting better!

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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2016, 09:15:34 PM »

Healing up. Thank you sir.

I have been keeping up with your status/recovery.
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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2016, 01:28:37 PM »

I would bet that the lifters are back to a EVO style as you run out of room ... Rocker ratio will be effected .. Look forward to it, that and making a few new cams  :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2016, 03:04:26 AM »

Cant wait to see what you Builders/Tuners can do.

One thing that caught my eye was the description of a new low profile AC, the current CVO Airator has already been proven to restrict flow, I could be wrong but going thinner (Low profile) will only make it worse.  Want to buy stock in Heavy breather AC as I think their will be a run on them for 114+ builds.

Mr. Steve at Fullsac as you are designing your new head pipes, if I read your post right you are using the 107 as your base, will the their be enough flow for the 114 especially when folks add head & TB work, and new cams?
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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2016, 07:31:59 AM »

Cant wait to see what you Builders/Tuners can do.

One thing that caught my eye was the description of a new low profile AC, the current CVO Airator has already been proven to restrict flow, I could be wrong but going thinner (Low profile) will only make it worse.  Want to buy stock in Heavy breather AC as I think their will be a run on them for 114+ builds.

Mr. Steve at Fullsac as you are designing your new head pipes, if I read your post right you are using the 107 as your base, will the their be enough flow for the 114 especially when folks add head & TB work, and new cams?

I know the ventilator restricts air flow so, on a strong build it restricts power.  Changed to a Adgitor hi flow.  Its better, but still restricts power compared to Heavy Breather.  Steve posted http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=109187.0  And you can see my 138 HP / 140 TQ build and my friends identical build with a heavy Breather.  He has 3 more HP and 5 more torque
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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2016, 09:01:00 AM »

I would bet that the lifters are back to a EVO style as you run out of room ... Rocker ratio will be effected .. Look forward to it, that and making a few new cams  :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:

Found a new model parts list and it appears they have gone back to the "C" lifter in the CVO engine.  Hopefully they fixed the internals of that lifter so they don't continue to bleed down faster than a Saturday night gunshot victim in Chicago.

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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2016, 09:09:55 AM »

Found a new model parts list and it appears they have gone back to the "C" lifter in the CVO engine.  Hopefully they fixed the internals of that lifter so they don't continue to bleed down faster than a Saturday night gunshot victim in Chicago.

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There are many intriguing ideas and design changes to the new Milwaukee 8 engine.  But as many of us have painfully and expensively experienced, reliability all comes down to the execution of the new designs.  Of course, this could be a typo or mistake in the new model parts list, but assuming it's not, it's certainly a puzzling lifter choice.  Not having seen any drawings of this new motor, I am surprised an existing lifter design would even fit.  And one would assume if they changed the lifter internals (design or tolerances) it would have a new part number designation.  I am sure there will more than a few growing pains with the new motor, and I am happy to sit on the sidelines and watch as time passes and others figure it out.



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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2016, 05:11:38 AM »

A major change to the power plant like this needs validation. I wonder how this engine was tested and under what conditions. I would almost bet there were some hard looks for ease of manufacturing and cost reduction as well during design. I personally will not be standing in line to purchase the new platform until the power plant has been proven for durability/reliability.
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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2016, 08:03:06 AM »

MSRP is only 1 grand difference between a 16 CVO and a 17 CVO limited. For that 1 grand you get the new suspension and bigger, quieter, more powerful, cooler and narrow engine,. That is a lot of upgrades for 1 grand! BUT I am leery of the testing that was or was not completed on this new engine design.

What I find most odd is that Harley does not say in any of the advertising anything about miles and miles of real world testing and blah blah blah. Or proven at the track or anything about testing.
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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2016, 08:24:58 AM »

MSRP is only 1 grand difference between a 16 CVO and a 17 CVO limited. For that 1 grand you get the new suspension and bigger, quieter, more powerful, cooler and narrow engine,. That is a lot of upgrades for 1 grand! BUT I am leery of the testing that was or was not completed on this new engine design.

What I find most odd is that Harley does not say in any of the advertising anything about miles and miles of real world testing and blah blah blah. Or proven at the track or anything about testing.
That 1 grand increase is sweetened for the moco because they deleted the CB.  For those who want a CB I'll be another grand would be required for the parts and install.

Not going to wade back through all the moco hype but I think I recall on one of the videos something about over a million miles of testing on the new engine.  Don't know if that is static. on the track, one the road or a combo.  And maybe I'm remembering that all wrong.  Maybe it was on the '07 110" motor that had been testing and proven bulletproof.
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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2016, 08:35:47 AM »

That 1 grand increase is sweetened for the moco because they deleted the CB.  For those who want a CB I'll be another grand would be required for the parts and install.

Not going to wade back through all the moco hype but I think I recall on one of the videos something about over a million miles of testing on the new engine.  Don't know if that is static. on the track, one the road or a combo.  And maybe I'm remembering that all wrong.  Maybe it was on the '07 110" motor that had been testing and proven bulletproof.

The CVO limited still has the CB.
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Re: New 114 liquid cooled engine
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2016, 09:01:25 AM »

The CVO limited still has the CB.
Correct. I was referring to the non-CVOs. My bad.


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