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[Hoist!]

If you haven't seen this, check it out. Don't let this happen to us!!! And no, I didn't check with Snopes. Just a little common sense here!

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A LITTLE GUN CONTROL HISTORY


In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control and from 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935 and from 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964 and from 1964 to 1981, 100,000  Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and  exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970 and from 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956 and from 1975 to 1977, one million ‘educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control:   
56 million.
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It has now been 2 years since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australian taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.  The first year results are now in:

Homicide is up 3.2 percent Australia-wide
Assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide.   
Armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.  Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.


There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY.  Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.


Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind  them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'.

Without them, we are 'subjects'

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

[HogBreath]

One more reason to move out of NYC to Kentucky. Guns maybe outlawed in the city, but only if they catch ya.

[FNGw/08SERK]

I believe I read somewhere that the fact that private weapon ownership was very high across the US was what kept the Japanese from a ground assault in Cali 

[LRebel]

Gun Control:  You better think about this and find out how the presidential candidates stand on this issue before you go vote!

[Midnight Rider]

Again...please read this carefully...

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

[RJ749]

Here's a daily update from the NRA and their Institute for Legislative Action.  This site gathers info on actions throughout the United States in defense of the right to bear arms and anti-gunner attacks on that right.

Quote: "The position of the National Rifle Association is clear. The Second Amendment protects the fundamental, individual right of law-abiding citizens to own firearms for any lawful purpose. Further, any law infringing this freedom, including a ban on self-defense and handgun ownership, is unconstitutional and provides no benefit to curbing crime. "

http://www.nraila.org/

The threat on your freedom is real.  Check it out today.

[RJ749]

MORE GUNS, LESS “GUN CONTROL,” LESS CRIME

The number of privately owned guns in the U.S. is at an all-time high (upwards of 200 million) and rises about 4.5 million annually. The number of gun owners is also at an all-time high. Almost half of all households in America have guns.
During the last decade, many “gun control” laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive. Forty states now have RTC laws. The federal waiting period on handgun sales ended in 1998, in favor of the National Instant Check, and some states thereafter eliminated waiting periods, purchase permit requirements, or other laws delaying gun sales. The federal “assault weapon” ban expired in 2004.

All states now have hunter protection laws, 46 have range protection laws, 46 prohibit local jurisdictions from imposing gun laws more restrictive than state law, and 44 protect the right to arms in their constitutions. Congress and 33 states have prohibited frivolous lawsuits against the firearm industry.

Since 1991, violent crime has declined 38% overall, to a 30-year low. Murder has decreased 43%; rape, 25%; robbery, 48%; and aggravated assault, 33%.



GENERAL INFORMATION

• Privately owned firearms in the U.S.: Well over 200 million, including upwards of 65-70 million handguns. The number rises by approximately 4.5 million annually. (BATFE)

• Gun owners in the U.S.: 65-80 million; 30-35 million own handguns

• American households that have firearms: Approx. 45%

• Hunters nationwide: 18.5 million (National Shooting Sports Foundation)

• NRA State Associations and Local Clubs: 10,000

• NRA Target Shooting Tournaments annually: 10,000

• NRA Certified Instructors 51,000
 
 Copyright 2008, National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action.
This may be reproduced. It may not be reproduced for commercial purposes.

 
 Quoted from: http://www.nraila.org//Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=83

[mr_magoo]

When guns are illegal the only ones with guns will be the crooks.  Proud to carry an NRA card.  They are the defenders or our rights to keep and bear arms. 

[LRebel]

Politicians pay big buck$ to spin their agenda.  Don't allow your Second Amendment rights to be taken away. 
Research before you vote!

[VAZHOG]

I believe I read somewhere that the fact that private weapon ownership was very high across the US was what kept the Japanese from a ground assault in Cali 

Yeah and because we (All Americans)  owned Laser's (CD PLAYERS) that is why the USSR fell in 1989 

[Keats]

everytime Gun control issues come up and debated,

I go out and buy another gun......

cannot have to many guns or motorcycles

[LRebel]

everytime Gun control issues come up and debated,
I go out and buy another gun......
cannot have to many guns or motorcycles

Yep, I always seem to purchase new guns just before elections.
I guess I am afraid we could wind up with a liberal for president that will ban the sale of firearms.

[CVOJOE]

Quote: "The position of the National Rifle Association is clear. The Second Amendment protects the fundamental, individual right of law-abiding citizens to own firearms for any lawful purpose. Further, any law infringing this freedom, including a ban on self-defense and handgun ownership, is unconstitutional and provides no benefit to curbing crime. "

That says it all!!       

[Coolbreeze]

Yep, I always seem to purchase new guns just before elections.
I guess I am afraid we could wind up with a liberal for president that will ban the sale of firearms.

Which is why I am always stuck voting Republican.  the damned democrats are always so virulently anti-gun head-in-the-sand, somebody-else-will-take-care-of-me-ish, that I get stuck with a second rate politico, jsut to be able to protect my family. 

It's a crappy position to be in.   Acck.  I hate elections.   

[spydglide]

Which is why I am always stuck voting Republican.  the damned democrats are always so virulently anti-gun head-in-the-sand, somebody-else-will-take-care-of-me-ish, that I get stuck with a second rate politico, jsut to be able to protect my family. 

It's a crappy position to be in.   Acck.  I hate elections.   

Ain't that the truth!   Or, at least it seems to have been for most of my voting life.    aaarrgh.  spyder

[murphy]

When guns are illegal the only ones with guns will be the crooks.

We are having a huge problem here in Toronto, two bystandards have been shot to death on different dates, at different loactions by way of stray bullets from gunfights in less than a week of each other.

The province is considering banning handguns out right.... guess it's just a matter of time before we Canadians are rounded up and exterminated?

[Keats]

Ain't that the truth!   Or, at least it seems to have been for most of my voting life.    aaarrgh.  spyder

Here is a novel thought.......a Conservative Democrat

Since the Democratic party got Hijacked by the looney left,  not much choice anymore

[spydglide]

The province is considering banning handguns out right.... guess it's just a matter of time before we Canadians are rounded up and exterminated?

Nawww, just pack up and move down here.  We're easy on immigrants.  har!  spyder

[charlie]

The only gun control I want is when it's in my hand.

[skreminegul07]

Gun control means using two hands.

Everything I own is banned in Mass.

We have probably the top 1 or 2 toughest gun laws in the country and violent crime and homicide is increasing every year.  Don't the laws work?
When they were debating the Assault ban in Mass,  a bunch of military type weapons [there is no such thing as an assault weapon, it was made up by the the left media (not that there's a right media)], were displayed in the state house and assumed to have been confiscated in Mass.  Instead it was learned that they (guns) were brought in from Connecticut.  So the AG and police fooled the legislators into believing there was a problem. 

NRA Benefactor

[GaLonghair]

I keep my NRA card right next to my HOG card, and you are right about Democrap canidates at the national level. But some of the canidates at the local level (in the rural south anyway) are smart enough to know that the Second Amend. rules. Those in the big city, oh well, glad I don't live there any more!

[RJ749]

Here's one for the books.  I think the attitude goes well beyond one Virginian State Senator.

Saslaw maligned gun-rights supporters, all rural Virginians
- Bristol News
Shame on Virginia Senate Majority Leader Dick Saslaw. A man who has spent the better part of three decades in the legislature in Richmond ought to have more sense than to insult any state resident let alone an entire group of them.

See the story here: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=20228.new#new

[sefatboyscott]

It's wierd how from my cold dead hands theory goes out the window when they demand you have a permit isn't it?

A RIGHT is a RIGHT, that means you don't have to ask mommy or daddy. Then again most people don't even actually own property and the way laws are written Rights are attached to property. This is why when one claims they know their Rights to a cop, he just pulls out the Tazer.....If you don't OWN property ( Allodiul Title ) you don't have Rights you have privledges. It's not my fault, I don't get to make the laws........but I work very hard to try to make a difference. Any of you guys ever sat in on a UN Conference? You would not believe the chit they talk in there.......they should make a cspan3, if people watched that maybe they would have a clue.

I bet you did not know that there are two types of citizenship status in the USA. There are USA Citizens and Americans and the UN recognizes both. Many claim to be Americans out of ignorance, there is a process to become a proper State Citizen ( actual American ) that very few have actually done. Do your own due dilligence and you will find out for yourself. I have done my part. You can call me crazy if you want to now.
" Those who give up their Liberties for Security deserve niether"

[Keats]

Watch carefully what happens with upcoming session in the Supreme Court

This has the ability to effect every gun owner in America!

Washington DC Vs Heller

As I understand it NRA Platform (and the republican platform) has always taken the verbage "the individuals right to

bear arms" was to take it literally, meaning the Individual (person) has the right to bear arms.

It looks like the Justice Dept is backing off that premise and interpreting the individual in a broader sense (like Militia)

this would undermine the 2nd amendment as I understand it and it is throwing the NRA under the bus and every

other gun carrying person also!  I am not sure why the administration is allowing this to take place but it is!

Call your representatives and let them know how you feel........or turn in your guns!


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24582&keywords=heller


watch out!

[spydglide]

thanks for posting.  spyder

[GaLonghair]

The general concensis by those supposedly in the know is that the Supreme Court is going to come down on the side of the individal right , but who knows. It is interesting that Dick Chenny and the congress seem to be going a diff. way from Bush and the Justice Dept. This could get real interesting

[Midnight Rider]

The general concensis by those supposedly in the know is that the Supreme Court is going to come down on the side of the individal right , but who knows. It is interesting that Dick Chenny and the congress seem to be going a diff. way from Bush and the Justice Dept. This could get real interesting

Maybe Chenny had a change of heart after he shot his friend in the face...

[spydglide]

Maybe Chenny had a change of heart after he shot his friend in the face...

Now TC, you don't know all the facts on that hunting incident........coulda been that his 'friend' had stepped outa line and just needed shooting.  har!  spyder

[Midnight Rider]

Now TC, you don't know all the facts on that hunting incident........coulda been that his 'friend' had stepped outa line and just needed shooting.  har!  spyder

I hope I don't have any "friends" like that on here...

[spydglide]

I hope I don't have any "friends" like that on here...

How come you're not out w/ Bootsie burning up some back roads today?  har!  spyder

[HUBBARD]

Don't need a permit to carry an unconcealed weapon in WV, and Va, in certain environments.  I myself, have a CWP, and have since 1987.  The right to bear arms for my own protection, was given me by my Creator.  You know, like in "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."  The Constitution is only an instrument to protect those God-given Rights.  BTW, effective August 1, 2006, in WV, I am no longer required to inform an officer of the Law I have a dangerous and deadly weapon in my vehicle, when stopped for whatever reason.  Permit or no permit, as long as I am alive, I will have a Firearm in my possession.  Better to have one and not need it, than to need one and not have it.  There enedth the lesson.  Later--HUBBARD   

[VaEagle]

[quote author=HUBBARD link=topic=19985.msg327458#msg327458 .  BTW, effective August 1, 2006, in WV, I am no longer required to inform an officer of the Law I have a dangerous and deadly weapon in my vehicle, when stopped for whatever reason.   
[/quote]


I know that in Virginia if you have a Concealed Weapons Permit it is linked to your driver's license and vehicle registration info so even before the officer walks up on your vehicle if he has run your plate it will notify him that the registered owner has a permit. I don't know if that applies to out-of-state permit holders though. FYI.

[Fired00d]

I know that in Virginia if you have a Concealed Weapons Permit it is linked to your driver's license and vehicle registration info so even before the officer walks up on your vehicle if he has run your plate it will notify him that the registered owner has a permit. I don't know if that applies to out-of-state permit holders though. FYI.

I just recently took a class to get a Utah CWP and was told in the class that unlike having a Va. CWP the Utah one will not be linked to my DL (for Va. LEO to know). However I think it's a good practice to inform a LEO officer when he approaches (with both hands remaining on the steering wheel) that I'm carrying, and where it is. I don't want to have (give) some rookie/trigger happy/nervous LEO the chance to at a minimum have me face down on the ground if not accidental shooting me.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[spydglide]

I just recently took a class to get a Utah CWP and was told in the class that unlike having a Va. CWP the Utah one will not be linked to my DL (for Va. LEO to know). However I think it's a good practice to inform a LEO officer when he approaches (with both hands remaining on the steering wheel) that I'm carrying, and where it is. I don't want to have (give) some rookie/trigger happy/nervous LEO the chance to at a minimum have me face down on the ground if not accidental shooting me.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

It is still req'd. in NC for Concealed Carry to inform LEO's that you're licensed and carrying a concealed firearm.  Unfortunately, the NC law allows privately owned businesses such as 7-elevens, gas stations, etc. to post a 'no concealed weapons' sign which makes having one on premises illegal........this would be a situation where voluntarily informing that you're carrying would not be prudent.  Just as removing your concealed weapon before entering such establishment in certain places and going unarmed would not be prudent.  Is this what they call a 'catch 22'?     spyder

[Fired00d]

It is still req'd. in NC for Concealed Carry to inform LEO's that you're licensed and carrying a concealed firearm.  Unfortunately, the NC law allows privately owned businesses such as 7-elevens, gas stations, etc. to post a 'no concealed weapons' sign which makes having one on premises illegal........this would be a situation where voluntarily informing that you're carrying would not be prudent.  Just as removing your concealed weapon before entering such establishment in certain places and going unarmed would not be prudent.  Is this what they call a 'catch 22'?     spyder

Va. has the same type laws. Any private business can post "No Weapons" and you're not allowed to carry them on their property. Those type establishments IMO aren't deserving of my money. You are right in cases like that if I were carrying I wouldn't tell the officer. Hopefully I wouldn't be in the need of one (LEO), and in most cases if I'm "illegal" I'm going to be a model citizen in their presence.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[naitram]

when i had my small buisness i'd go into the post office in the morning, its illigale to carry in a PO... but i wasnt gpoing to take it off and leave it in my truck 

[spydglide]

Va. has the same type laws. Any private business can post "No Weapons" and you're not allowed to carry them on their property. Those type establishments IMO aren't deserving of my money. You are right in cases like that if I were carrying I wouldn't tell the officer. Hopefully I wouldn't be in the need of one (LEO), and in most cases if I'm "illegal" I'm going to be a model citizen in their presence.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

as always.  har!  spyder

[Fired00d]

when i had my small buisness i'd go into the post office in the morning, its illigale to carry in a PO... but i wasnt gpoing to take it off and leave it in my truck 

You didn't work there I don't see the harm not like you were going to go "postal".

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[spydglide]

when i had my small buisness i'd go into the post office in the morning, its illigale to carry in a PO... but i wasnt gpoing to take it off and leave it in my truck 

Yeah, you never know about those postal workers.... ...har!  spyder

[Fired00d]

as always.  har!  spyder

Probably has something to do with all the illegal stuff I did in my past and never got caught doing it.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[spydglide]

Probably has something to do with all the illegal stuff I did in my past and never got caught doing it.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

         

[LRebel]

The way I see it, if someone has passed the background check and gone through the required training to get their CPW, they are most likely law abiding responsible citizens that do not want to jeopardize their CPW.

We law abiding responsible citizens are not the ones that society has to be worried about.  In fact, if we that are carrying legally were allowed to carry in all the places that are "off limits", there might be a lot fewer tragedys, like the massacre at the Omaha mall a few weeks ago.

A sign banning weapons in a business, state or federal building, or other establishment is not going to keep the bad guys from carrying anyway.

[Fired00d]

The way I see it, if someone has passed the background check and gone through the required training to get their CPW, they are most likely law abiding responsible citizens that do not want to jeopardize their CPW.

We law abiding responsible citizens are not the ones that society has to be worried about.  In fact, if we that are carrying legally were allowed to carry in all the places that are "off limits", there might be a lot fewer tragedys, like the massacre at the Omaha mall a few weeks ago.

A sign banning weapons in a business, state or federal building, or other establishment is not going to keep the bad guys from carrying anyway.

So very true. The states/cities that have an outright ban on guns are statistically the ones that have the most gun related crimes.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[HUBBARD]

The way I see it, if someone has passed the background check and gone through the required training to get their CPW, they are most likely law abiding responsible citizens that do not want to jeopardize their CPW.

We law abiding responsible citizens are not the ones that society has to be worried about.  In fact, if we that are carrying legally were allowed to carry in all the places that are "off limits", there might be a lot fewer tragedys, like the massacre at the Omaha mall a few weeks ago.

A sign banning weapons in a business, state or federal building, or other establishment is not going to keep the bad guys from carrying anyway.

The LAW ain't for us.  The LAW is to protect LAW breaker.  Correct me, if I'm wrong.  Later--HUBBARD

[naitram]

The LAW ain't for us.  The LAW is to protect LAW breaker.  Correct me, if I'm wrong.  Later--HUBBARD

i wish i could but unfortunatley you are correct 

[skreminegul07]

when i had my small buisness i'd go into the post office in the morning, its illigale to carry in a PO... but i wasnt gpoing to take it off and leave it in my truck 

My friend is a FFL and Mass Firearms dealer.  He investigated this exact situation.  You are allowed to carry into a PO if its for offical business (not just a dealer). In other words, if you are going in to commit a crime, its another Federal law they can charge you with, that's all. 

Another note: When I had to mail my P-14 to be repaired under warranty, I walked in to the PO and declared it and sent it. And yes, it is legal to mail a gun to be repaired and it can be mailed back. 

[skreminegul07]

Watch carefully what happens with upcoming session in the Supreme Court

This has the ability to effect every gun owner in America!

Washington DC Vs Heller

As I understand it NRA Platform (and the republican platform) has always taken the verbage "the individuals right to

bear arms" was to take it literally, meaning the Individual (person) has the right to bear arms.

It looks like the Justice Dept is backing off that premise and interpreting the individual in a broader sense (like Militia)

this would undermine the 2nd amendment as I understand it and it is throwing the NRA under the bus and every

other gun carrying person also!  I am not sure why the administration is allowing this to take place but it is!

Call your representatives and let them know how you feel........or turn in your guns!


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24582&keywords=heller


watch out!

The NRA Freedom magazine clearly states that this even if it goes our way, will not be that widespread as far as setting precedent.
the Supreme court agreed to decide three very distinct issues here to avoid a general finding regarding handgun ownership and self defense in the home.
More importantly, the San Francisco ban on handguns was ruled unconstitutional at the lower court level.  This is the second time in 20-30 years that SF has attempted this ban.

[skreminegul07]

i've always wondered myself, cause i pack almost everywhere. how local laws can trump the state or federal regulations.
in SC you can do the same in posting signs on the door, but most that do are not in compliance with the signage.

they just want us in the system, one way or another.

i recently by mail applied for a new hampshire cwp which reciprocates with my adjoining state cause i live close to a state line.

and i'm sure the criminals aren't worried bout the gun laws.



TN

I live in Mass and have had the NH for 20+ years.  As a matter of fact, the NH permit was plastic like a DL and Mass was this laminated paper POC that looked homemade.

In Texas, a shall issue state, those laws allowing a business to put up the sign, they will allow you to leave without prsecution if found to be carrying, in other words, you get a warning, not arrested unless you refuse to leave.

[spydglide]

The issue is with the 'concealed carry permit'.....if you don't abide by the 'rules' under which it is issued, they will take it away and you will then be ineligible to 'legally' carry.  It's the ole 'privilage' deal......like a drivers license.  Not a 'right' as we all wish it were.  spyder

[skreminegul07]

In the People's Republic of Mass., you need a carry permit, but cannot carry openly under any circumstances.  It must be concealed.  The most ridiculous: we have CWP for high capacity firearms and non high capacity firearms.  BTW , Massholes redefined firearm to mean handgun.  In Mass, a rifle is not a firearm. Also, all the lifetime Firearms ID cards (for long guns) EXPIRED.

 

[sefatboyscott]

Someone mentioned militia. Ok try starting up a militia. The first thing that happens is you end up on a the terror watch list, hope you were not planning on taking any airplanes anytime soon, militia membership will get you on the no fly list for sure. There are no more militias, just homegrown terror cells the way these guys look at things these days.

[Jock]

interesting...mmm