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I realize $2,700 including a deep oil pan and oil cooler, labor and tuning isn't very much money. Its a package that I'm considering but I realize I have a thousand options for $2,700. The dealer wanted $2,300 for just cams, air cleaner and tuning. I have read so many horror stories about the 110 that it explains why he's selling it for $1,100 (parts)...

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Here we go again.  Another thread where "simple" is going to turn into "major."  You'll all have him doing the bottom end, porting his heads, doing lifters and whatever else before he's all done when all he wants to do is spend $2700 to get a decent-running 110". LOL

Exactly, I'm really fishing for comments about the 110 and if doing oil cooler and oil pan along with tuning makes it a viable option for decent power, reliability, etc...

[Ohio HD]

I realize $2,700 including a deep oil pan and oil cooler, labor and tuning isn't very much money. Its a package that I'm considering but I realize I have a thousand options for $2,700. The dealer wanted $2,300 for just cams, air cleaner and tuning. I have read so many horror stories about the 110 that it explains why he's selling it for $1,100 (parts)...

That's the only reason I say that maybe a 103 will be more reliable for you. I know that most guys have no issues with their 110's, but then there are enough that have had issues to make me shy away. I personally have an '08 SG that's 107" and my '09 Ultra is bone stock 96". The 96" isn't the fastest guy in the pack, put it runs OK. It'll become a 103 in a few years, with mild heads, a small bump in compression, and most likely the Feuling 574, or the Andrews 57 sticks.

I would weigh all the options, pro and con, then make a choice. In the end you just want more get up and go, and reliability is paramount for most of us.

One of the best things you can do for the '07 SG is lower the gearing, it's a power killer. I bet you only use 6th on the highway around 65mph or higher? There are a couple options for doing that relatively easy. It makes a huge difference.

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That's the only reason I say that maybe a 103 will be more reliable for you. I know that most guys have no issues with their 110's, but then there are enough that have had issues to make me shy away. I personally have an '08 SG that's 107" and my '09 Ultra is bone stock 96". The 96" isn't the fastest guy in the pack, put it runs OK. It'll become a 103 in a few years, with mild heads, a small bump in compression, and most likely the Feuling 574, or the Andrews 57 sticks.

I would weigh all the options, pro and con, then make a choice. In the end you just want more get up and go, and reliability is paramount for most of us.

One of the best things you can do for the '07 SG is lower the gearing, it's a power killer. I bet you only use 6th on the highway around 65mph or higher? There are a couple options for doing that relatively easy. It makes a huge difference.

I agree with the 103 CID
My SE103 has 40K now and still runs like a champ, No issues.
2 Up is not a problem.

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I agree with the 103 CID
My SE103 has 40K now and still runs like a champ, No issues.
2 Up is not a problem.

When you did your 103 did you use SE heads or keep the stock off the 96?

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When you did your 103 did you use SE heads or keep the stock off the 96?

Mine is a 03 CVO SE103 RK and OEM with the SE103 Heads, Cylinders etc.

Have you considered or asked about something like this?
Screamin' Eagle® Big Bore Stage I Kit for EFI Models - 103 Cubic Inches
http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448769835&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302319503&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302319503&bmUID=1364230690164&bmLocale=en_ca

This Big Bore Kit lets you increase the displacement of your Twin Cam 96™-equipped model from 96 cubic inches (1584cc) to 103 cubic inches (1690cc). Includes Big Bore cylinders, Big Bore flat top piston assemblies and a Stage I Air Cleaner Kit with one-piece back plate, integral breathers, all mounting hardware, and gaskets. A high performance clutch spring is included to provide the additional clutch capacity required by the extra torque.Requires separate purchase of primary cover gasket. This kit is street legal when used with stock mufflers. (Not all components shown.) All EFI-equipped models require ECM calibration (priced separately).

Fits '07 Twin Cam and '08-later Softail® models equipped with a Twin Cam 96™ engine.
MSRP US $699.95
For and extra $1K or so, you can get a set of SE!)# heads
That puts you around $1,700 or $1,800 for Parts

Whatever you elect to do, do not forget you will be asking the clutch to Hold More TQ & HP.
Also did they mention ACRs or CRs? You starter is going to be taxed to crank that Biger Motor/Higher Compression over.

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Mine is a 03 CVO SE103 RK and OEM with the SE103 Heads, Cylinders etc.

Have you considered or asked about something like this?
Screamin' Eagle® Big Bore Stage I Kit for EFI Models - 103 Cubic Inches
http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448769835&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302319503&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302319503&bmUID=1364230690164&bmLocale=en_ca

This Big Bore Kit lets you increase the displacement of your Twin Cam 96™-equipped model from 96 cubic inches (1584cc) to 103 cubic inches (1690cc). Includes Big Bore cylinders, Big Bore flat top piston assemblies and a Stage I Air Cleaner Kit with one-piece back plate, integral breathers, all mounting hardware, and gaskets. A high performance clutch spring is included to provide the additional clutch capacity required by the extra torque.Requires separate purchase of primary cover gasket. This kit is street legal when used with stock mufflers. (Not all components shown.) All EFI-equipped models require ECM calibration (priced separately).

Fits '07 Twin Cam and '08-later Softail® models equipped with a Twin Cam 96™ engine.
MSRP US $699.95
For and extra $1K or so, you can get a set of SE!)# heads
That puts you around $1,700 or $1,800 for Parts

Whatever you elect to do, do not forget you will be asking the clutch to Hold More TQ & HP.

Also did they mention ACRs or CRs?

You starter is going to be taxed to crank that Biger Motor/Higher Compression over.

ACR or CR? Sorry, Im a newbie and not up on all of the acronyms. Also, at 9.3:1, it seems like it wouldn't be much harder to roll over compared to the stock 10 or 10.2:1 and I thought the se 110 kit required a wire harness for auto decompression?

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Ahhhh, auto compression, compression release. Gotcha, yes, that was included 

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Mine is a 03 CVO SE103 RK and OEM with the SE103 Heads, Cylinders etc.

Have you considered or asked about something like this?
Screamin' Eagle® Big Bore Stage I Kit for EFI Models - 103 Cubic Inches
http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448769835&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302319503&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302319503&bmUID=1364230690164&bmLocale=en_ca

This Big Bore Kit lets you increase the displacement of your Twin Cam 96™-equipped model from 96 cubic inches (1584cc) to 103 cubic inches (1690cc). Includes Big Bore cylinders, Big Bore flat top piston assemblies and a Stage I Air Cleaner Kit with one-piece back plate, integral breathers, all mounting hardware, and gaskets. A high performance clutch spring is included to provide the additional clutch capacity required by the extra torque.Requires separate purchase of primary cover gasket. This kit is street legal when used with stock mufflers. (Not all components shown.) All EFI-equipped models require ECM calibration (priced separately).

Fits '07 Twin Cam and '08-later Softail® models equipped with a Twin Cam 96™ engine.
MSRP US $699.95
For and extra $1K or so, you can get a set of SE!)# heads
That puts you around $1,700 or $1,800 for Parts

Whatever you elect to do, do not forget you will be asking the clutch to Hold More TQ & HP.
Also did they mention ACRs or CRs? You starter is going to be taxed to crank that Biger Motor/Higher Compression over.

Yes you are right, $1,800 and I can have parts to build a 103 but with same stock cams.  Labor will be another $500. For $2,100 total including all gaskets and the wire harness for the ACR, Power commander and tuning, I can have a complete se 110 (yes with 255 cams though). The $2,700 number was for the oil cooler and Baker +1 oil pan. It seems logical to do the 110 over a 103 for more money but I know nothing in life is free. Hence why I'm on here...

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Yes you are right, $1,800 and I can have parts to build a 103 but with same stock cams.  Labor will be another $500. For $2,100 total including all gaskets and the wire harness for the ACR, Power commander and tuning, I can have a complete se 110 (yes with 255 cams though). The $2,700 number was for the oil cooler and Baker +1 oil pan. It seems logical to do the 110 over a 103 for more money but I know nothing in life is free. Hence why I'm on here...

Why do you need a new Oil Pan?
To each his own dream.Given the choice, I will take the SE103 over the 110 any day.

Do the 110 Cylinders fit your case?

A little light reading for you
Recommended Upgrades for 2007/2008 HD Twin Cam engine
http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/hd2007HD_performance_upgrades.htm
Certainly NOT saying this is the End All on Advise

I have been down the rode you are headed a long time agaon with a VW Bug.
Great deal on a 185 Hp 2.0 Liter Engine, which it was.
Needless to say the Clutch needed to be replaced and then the Transaxel needed to be replaced and several other things.

I just get the feeling that this is something Your dealer wants to sell you and that when all is said and done it will be much more than the $2,700 qouted to make your truely happy.

But that is just my 2 cents worth

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Why do you need a new Oil Pan?
To each his own dream.Given the choice, I will take the SE103 over the 110 any day.

Do the 110 Cylinders fit your case?

Added oil capacity to help keep it cool. The cases have to split and machined, that was included in the $2,700 price. 

[Twolanerider]

Why do you need a new Oil Pan?

A real question for sure.  That Baker pan is as much smoke as it is fire.  Know personally of four bikes with it installed.  I did two of them.  One of them the bike's owner is sure the pan allows for cooler oil, a better running engine, helps him get girls and it solved his cat's furball problem.  He's sure of this because he's always sure that anything he buys is always good and/or better because he refuses to accept he might be a schmuck and could have spent a buck unnecessarily.

The other three, however, don't really see any difference in real life use.

[Ohio HD]

Added oil capacity to help keep it cool. The cases have to split and machined, that was included in the $2,700 price. 

I have my opinion on the oil temperature. A cooler, yes it will help, adding some additional oil capacity, really would only help if it was not enough to begin with. Once the motor reaches temperature, and the oil does as well, it'll stabilize in the oil pan to the running temperature of the returning oil. In my opinion, I don't think you would be able to measure any beneficial change. I had asked Baker very politely as to how they were arriving at their estimates of temperature reduction, simply because I was interested in it, they won't discuss it.

Just my 2 cents, but I'd save that oil pan money for something else, or just as a savings in the project cost.

[Twolanerider]

I have my opinion on the oil temperature. A cooler, yes it will help, adding some additional oil capacity, really would only help if it was not enough to begin with. Once the motor reaches temperature, and the oil does as well, it'll stabilize in the oil pan to the running temperature of the returning oil. In my opinion, I don't think you would be able to measure any beneficial change. I had asked Baker very politely as to how they were arriving at their estimates of temperature reduction, simply because I was interested in it, they won't discuss it.

Just my 2 cents, but I'd save that oil pan money for something else, or just as a savings in the project cost.

Heat soaked is heat soaked.  It might take a tiny bit longer to get fully heat soaked.  Of course the greater volume would also then take a tiny bit longer to cool back down. 

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  "I realize $2,700 including a deep oil pan and oil cooler, labor and tuning isn't very much money. Its a package that I'm considering but I realize I have a thousand options for $2,700. The dealer wanted $2,300 for just cams, air cleaner and tuning. I have read so many horror stories about the 110 that it explains why he's selling it for $1,100 (parts)... "

Could you clear up just how your (dealer) gets you to "110" with the parts described   I'm assuming you have a stock 96,  with the "big bore" HD cylinders (kit),  you get to 103..........(The same cylinders that make an 88 into a 95).

Now,  to get 110 cylinders,  you gotta have the cases split and bored out to accept the larger jugs.  For the price quoted,  I see no where that this is planned,  nor do I see a "stroker" crank involved.

So please relate how it gets to 110.