Topic: looking for an educated guess on what this will cost (Read 4389 times)

Keats · « **on:** December 31, 2008, 09:27:33 PM »

Ok, I think I have a plan with my 110 while it is getting the 905 enhancement.
I requested the dealer to give me the cost to do the following.
1. send warranty (new) heads to T-man to have them ported and finished (valves,guides,springs) r&r heads is warranty
2. send jugs to T-man and have new pistons fitted to jugs (new forged pistons with 10.5 CR)
3. new harley lifters (preventative measure)
4. T-Man's 590 cams and torrington bearings installed (check crank runout at this time) no warranty issue here
5. new pushrods, to be determined by T-Man
6. have put back on Dyno and tuned

considering a small part of this is warranty work, what do you expect the dealer to come back to me with this build?

I should run a pool to see who ends up with the closest correct answer.

got to come up with a prize or something.

DCFIREMANN · « **Reply #1 on:** December 31, 2008, 10:33:55 PM »

LESS THAN A MILLION!!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Keats · « **Reply #2 on:** December 31, 2008, 10:38:05 PM »

seriously not helping, but a pretty good guess.

are you taking lessons from Don?

hard10 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 31, 2008, 10:39:53 PM »

Quote from: FLHTCUSE3 on December 31, 2008, 10:38:05 PM

seriously not helping, but a pretty good guess.

are you taking lessons from Don?

He's vying for a position in the Master of Sarcasm Club!

sadunbar · « **Reply #4 on:** January 01, 2009, 12:02:24 AM »

More than 3K less than 4K...

Keats · « **Reply #5 on:** January 01, 2009, 11:35:59 AM »

I really have a very little idea what the dealer will tell me but in round numbers on some things I have an estimate in my head for some parts'

headwork $1000.00
pistons $400.00
cams $400.00
torrington bearings ?
lifters ? 400.00?
dyno tune $300.00 - $400.00
pushrods ?
labor to hone cylinders to pistons $150.00
dealer labor hrs? cost?

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #6 on:** January 01, 2009, 11:41:52 AM »

Quote from: FLHTCUSE3 on December 31, 2008, 09:27:33 PM

Ok, I think I have a plan with my 110 while it is getting the 905 enhancement.
I requested the dealer to give me the cost to do the following.
1. send warranty (new) heads to T-man to have them ported and finished (valves,guides,springs) r&r heads is warranty
2. send jugs to T-man and have new pistons fitted to jugs (new forged pistons with 10.5 CR)
3. new harley lifters (preventative measure)
4. T-Man's 590 cams and torrington bearings installed (check crank runout at this time) no warranty issue here
5. new pushrods, to be determined by T-Man
6. have put back on Dyno and tuned

considering a small part of this is warranty work, what do you expect the dealer to come back to me with this build?

I should run a pool to see who ends up with the closest correct answer.

got to come up with a prize or something.

Including labor (assuming $85/hr) bottom line should come in just shy of $4k - - - say $3,950

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SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #7 on:** January 01, 2009, 11:45:35 AM »

Quote from: hard10 on December 31, 2008, 10:39:53 PM

He's vying for a position in the Master of Sarcasm Club!

AJ
Sarcasm requires a degree of sublety.

DC's about as subtle as a sledgehammer

B B

hard10 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 01, 2009, 04:51:38 PM »

Quote from: SPIDERMAN on January 01, 2009, 11:45:35 AM

AJ
Sarcasm requires a degree of sublety.

DC's about as subtle as a sledgehammer

B B

Hoist! · « **Reply #9 on:** January 01, 2009, 05:01:15 PM »

Quote from: FLHTCUSE3 on January 01, 2009, 11:35:59 AM

I really have a very little idea what the dealer will tell me but in round numbers on some things I have an estimate in my head for some parts'

headwork $1000.00 Shouldn't cost that much
pistons $400.00 About right
cams $400.00 About right for chain drive cams
torrington bearings ?Minimal, not even worth adding in. Same for Gaskets
lifters ? 400.00? About $200-$300 depending on brand
dyno tune $300.00 - $400.00 Sounds cheap for a full SERT tune
pushrods ? About $150
labor to hone cylinders to pistons $150.00 OK
dealer labor hrs? cost? Prolly around $800-a grand

What about the SE camplate? The SE Comp Sprocket? SE Forged Rocker Supports?

So all in all, about $3500-$4000. Add the above additional items for under a grand more.

Good luck with your build!!!

Hoist!

SBB · « **Reply #10 on:** January 01, 2009, 05:05:18 PM »

Quote from: SPIDERMAN on January 01, 2009, 11:45:35 AM

AJ
Sarcasm requires a degree of sublety.

DC's about as subtle as a sledgehammer

B B

Subtlety is not required when you have more than two bikes that run!

Right AJ?

hard10 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 01, 2009, 05:09:43 PM »

Quote from: Silver-Black on January 01, 2009, 05:05:18 PM

Subtlety is not required when you have more than two bikes that run!

Right AJ?

It New Year's Day, stop stirrin' chit up.

Fired00d · « **Reply #12 on:** January 01, 2009, 05:11:07 PM »

Quote from: hard10 on January 01, 2009, 05:09:43 PM

It New Year's Day, stop stirrin' chit up.

I thought that was when he brought the big spoon out.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

grit · « **Reply #13 on:** January 01, 2009, 05:41:26 PM »

Obviously I've lived longer than you so my guess; "Way too much!" Been there, done that sort of stuff and now just wish I had that $4500.00.

sportygordy · « **Reply #14 on:** January 01, 2009, 05:53:57 PM »

I think i would consider bullet proffing the crank while your at it... OK... now the dollars will pile up.. Now consider an S&S or Jim's

Keats · « **Reply #15 on:** January 01, 2009, 06:06:28 PM »

Quote from: Hoist! on January 01, 2009, 05:01:15 PM

What about the SE camplate? The SE Comp Sprocket? SE Forged Rocker Supports?

So all in all, about $3500-$4000. Add the above additional items for under a grand more.

Good luck with your build!!!

Hoist!

OK Howie, you are killing me......
what does the se camplate buy me?
SE comp sprocket?
and forged rockers, have not heard of many rocker failures though.

you are trying to spred your pain?

Hoist! · « **Reply #16 on:** January 01, 2009, 06:10:32 PM »

Quote from: FLHTCUSE3 on January 01, 2009, 06:06:28 PM

OK Howie, you are killing me......
what does the se camplate buy me?
SE comp sprocket?
and forged rockers, have not heard of many rocker failures though.

you are trying to spred your pain?

HeHe!!! Oh yeah, what about Roller Rockers too? Another $450!

There all just stronger, closer tolerance built parts. The camplate buys you billet instead of cast and has bronze bushings for the cams, instead of tolerance fit in the plate itself. SE Comp Sprocket will handle 7x more torque than stock and I'm convinced it's a good investment in these big in motors.

Hoist!

Fired00d · « **Reply #17 on:** January 01, 2009, 06:12:39 PM »

Jeff,
What Howie is saying is... "Pay now, or pay later... if it's apart do it all at once, do it right, and save $$$$"

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

Keats · « **Reply #18 on:** January 01, 2009, 07:00:06 PM »

Quote from: Fired00d on January 01, 2009, 06:12:39 PM

Jeff,
What Howie is saying is... "Pay now, or pay later... if it's apart do it all at once, do it right, and save $$$$"

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

If I cannot get my arms around the build I will just abandon and tell them to fix and save my money for a Jims 131.
I probably can get a Jims build done and installed for about 9K and have someone else on the hook with problems.

If I follow my buddy Howie, I will have about 5-6k in it no warranty and a weak bottom end. add another 2K to beef up bottom end and I will have 7-8K in it
and be rebuilding anyway in another 13K miles?

not much of a stomach for that sequence.

Fired00d · « **Reply #19 on:** January 01, 2009, 07:07:36 PM »

Quote from: FLHTCUSE3 on January 01, 2009, 07:00:06 PM

If I cannot get my arms around the build I will just abandon and tell them to fix and save my money for a Jims 131.
I probably can get a Jims build done and installed for about 9K and have someone else on the hook with problems.

If I follow my buddy Howie, I will have about 5-6k in it no warranty and a weak bottom end. add another 2K to beef up bottom end and I will have 7-8K in it
and be rebuilding anyway in another 13K miles?

not much of a stomach for that sequence.

You may have answered your own question.

I've always been told do it right the first time or don't do it at all.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

Keats · « **Reply #20 on:** January 01, 2009, 07:11:45 PM »

Quote from: Fired00d on January 01, 2009, 07:07:36 PM

You may have answered your own question.

I've always been told do it right the first time or don't do it at all.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

Not doing the build completely right the first time is not what really scares me, (I can always blame myself on that one).

What really scares me is doing the build the right way the first time and ending in the same spot!

sportygordy · « **Reply #21 on:** January 01, 2009, 10:18:57 PM »

Quote from: FLHTCUSE3 on January 01, 2009, 07:00:06 PM

If I cannot get my arms around the build I will just abandon and tell them to fix and save my money for a Jims 131.
I probably can get a Jims build done and installed for about 9K and have someone else on the hook with problems.

If I follow my buddy Howie, I will have about 5-6k in it no warranty and a weak bottom end. add another 2K to beef up bottom end and I will have 7-8K in it
and be rebuilding anyway in another 13K miles?

not much of a stomach for that sequence.

Buy your Jim's from Jenni at Tri-County and plop in yourself... Piece of cake.. I'll even send you a free base map that runs real decent.

Admiral · « **Reply #22 on:** January 02, 2009, 10:31:06 AM »

Cheaper than buying a new bike.

DCFIREMANN · « **Reply #23 on:** January 02, 2009, 10:38:09 AM »

Quote from: Silver-Black on January 01, 2009, 05:05:18 PM

Subtlety is not required when you have more than two bikes that run!
Right AJ?

I think I qualify for that!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Hoist! · « **Reply #24 on:** January 02, 2009, 10:39:54 AM »

Quote from: DCFIREMANN on January 02, 2009, 10:38:09 AM

I think I qualify for that!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

HeHe!!! Even I do........................

Sometimes!!!

Hoist!

DCFIREMANN · « **Reply #25 on:** January 02, 2009, 10:42:29 AM »

Don't rework the heads. If you think you don't want to spend the money on something that will give you problems down the road (AKA 110) Go with a set of cams lifters and pushrods and you will be loving life. Save you money for the Jims motor down the road. You will have a bike that will run good but not good enough to hurt the bottom end!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

DCFIREMANN · « **Reply #26 on:** January 02, 2009, 10:57:31 AM »

Quote from: SPIDERMAN on January 01, 2009, 11:45:35 AM

AJ
Sarcasm requires a degree of sublety.

DC's about as subtle as a sledgehammer

B B

Considering the source I will let this one slide!!!!! This is your one time get out of jail free card!!!!!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #27 on:** January 02, 2009, 05:34:05 PM »

Quote from: DCFIREMANN on January 02, 2009, 10:57:31 AM

Considering the source I will let this one slide!!!!! This is your one time get out of jail free card!!!!!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

You must be bored. You had to read back 19 posts to even find it.

You've heard worse in your years in the firehouse.

Speaking of which, you're a fireman, how could you put me in jail anyway ?

Happy New Year DAWG

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DCFIREMANN · « **Reply #28 on:** January 02, 2009, 06:11:45 PM »

Quote from: SPIDERMAN on January 02, 2009, 05:34:05 PM

You must be bored. You had to read back 19 posts to even find it.

You've heard worse in your years in the firehouse.

Speaking of which, you're a fireman, how could you put me in jail anyway ?

Happy New Year DAWG

B B

You know BB some of us Fireman have guns and police powers!!!!! That is what happens when you go into Investigations and you are forced to work with the fine members of the ATF!!!

BORED?

?? Surely you jest. I am still having fun at the expense of others!!!!!

I hope everyone had a great New Years!!!! I just hope 2009 is better than 2008!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Fired00d · « **Reply #29 on:** January 02, 2009, 06:14:22 PM »

Quote from: DCFIREMANN on January 02, 2009, 06:11:45 PM

You know BB some of us Fireman have guns and police powers!!!!! That is what happens when you go into Investigations and you are forced to work with the fine members of the ATF!!!

BORED??? Surely you jest. I am still having fun at the expense of others!!!!!

I hope everyone had a great New Years!!!! I just hope 2009 is better than 2008!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

True dat.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

Hoist! · « **Reply #30 on:** January 02, 2009, 06:50:15 PM »

Quote from: Fired00d on January 02, 2009, 06:14:22 PM

True dat.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

Ruh Roh! Here too?

Hoist!

Unbalanced · « **Reply #31 on:** January 02, 2009, 07:27:10 PM »

All this stirring and I dont even have a paddle in the water.

If you do send the heads off get rid of the auto compression releases. You have been warned.

pushrods 150 - 200
Labor 8- 10 hours top end.
Throttlebody .. what are you doing with the throttlebody want to send that too to TMan have him match it to the headwork

Don't forget the larger injectors .. 4.89 instead of your 3.91's.

Headwork
Pistons
Cams
torringtons
lifters 240 - 260 for HD
Pushrods
Gaskets
Injectors

Dont need roller rockers under 600 lift and besides too noisy for a cruiser

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #32 on:** January 02, 2009, 07:59:57 PM »

Quote from: DCFIREMANN on January 02, 2009, 06:11:45 PM

You know BB some of us Fireman have guns and police powers!!!!! That is what happens when you go into Investigations and you are forced to work with the fine members of the ATF!!!

BORED??? Surely you jest. I am still having fun at the expense of others!!!!!

I hope everyone had a great New Years!!!! I just hope 2009 is better than 2008!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

DAWG
If being an asshole were a crime, I'd have been locked up years ago

2008- I retired (good) for being disabled (bad) I recovered the family property on Sebago Lake (fantastic) We all lost a ton of money in the stockmarket (bad) I made some new friends from this site (good)

2009 - Wait and see. Probably good and bad like every other year of my life.

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