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[Twolanerider]

I will automatically send upgrades to guys with SEEG's since they have the

[porthole]

Dude, am I reading that correctly?

[WFP]

Dude, am I reading that correctly?  Is PEZ saying that all of us with Hogtunes in the SEEGs are getting a new set of speakers?

Pez? Really?

I still have not told PEZ about my third set problems...I will watch for packages though!

/Bill

[hd-dude]

Dude, am I reading that correctly?

[Twolanerider]

That's what his email stated. I would suggest contacting him yourselfs if you have or suspect to have problems. I'm not sure how many sets he has coming in. He is truly concerned about the problem and want to do right by all of his customers.

That's wonderful if he's being that proactive.  Wonderful treatment notwithstanding though, I don't really want to yank my functioning speakers and be without during even a cross-ship.  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

[Cabo]

here is what I got from PEZ today:

Michael

I am away, and cannot access all the sites I normally check. I believe a
customer has innocently posted something and it has been taken WAY out of
context.

A VERY small percentage of people have had an issue--and unlike most vendors
have shared it freely so people know it is our intention to have the best
products possible. I know it is not their fault, but I believe the issue arises
from playing the speakers way too loud for a long time. In the testing I did on
the current product, I felt the speakers would play so loud for soooo long, it
would cause discomfort to the listener and cause them to turn it down. When I
say the product is upgraded, it is to try to eliminate this 2%, which as you
know is a small amount.

In NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM do I believe we are selling product I know to be
defective. I would put all my stock in the landfill before I damaged the
companies reputation.

Your speakers left as promised. I would strongly suggest you run those, as I do
not believe you will have an issue. I do have a few pairs Im airing over for
guys who have had an issue, to give them as a replacement. The mod is so small
it isnt funny---all it is is a little more solder at a potentially weak spot in
the inerts of the speaker. For those who "need" to have them that loud, these
upgrades should do the trick, as we played them into full distortion for 8
hours with no failure---thats 6 speakers for 8 hours with no failure.

Ultimately  we will do what you want. If I thought there was an issue, I would
stop taking orders all together--If you would like to comment, please email me
back

I have been away as my mother passed away last Thursday, so I have been dealing
with family in Western Canada. Maybe I could bother you to let the guys on
FLHRSEI know this, and that I will be back Monday. As a young company and a
straight shooter--we will always do the right thing!

Cheers----Hope to hear from you soon

[Striker]

From some of the posts I am reading, it sounds much like the issues I used to deal with in the Audio store I once had.  If the cone of the speaker is rigid or feels like it is rubbing when you push it in, the voice coil is indeed fried.  This can occur because the stock head unit (radio) is being maxed out when you ride by turning up the volume so you can hear it.  The amp then is starting to "clip" (distort) causing the speaker to occolate (sp) and frying the coil.  The same thing can occur if there is a cross connection at the speaker connection or to the head unit.  This changes the impedance of the speaker, causing the same problem.  With the size of the magnets on the Hogtunes, I would find it hard to believe that the head unit could over-drive them.  If there is a production problem, I would expect a much higher ratio than 2% failure as one post stated.  So, I guess it boils down to adding a small amp to push the power of the head unit, thus keeping you in the sweet spot at mid-volume range, or double check your installation to make sure you have not ground out a speaker.  If you switch sides on your speakers and the problem reverses, good chance you blew a channel on the head unit by overloading it.
I have installed on some baggers an amp in the bottom of their bags and gotten better performance, but my preference if needed would be to put a smaller amp along with some 4/8 ohm 3 way speakers in the fairing.

[JCZ]

Striker, you may want to do a search on this site.  The folks from Radio Sound (they made the head unit) say that you can not put an additional amplifier on this unit due to the internal amplifier built in.  If you do a search, they explain why it will not work with the SEEG stereo, while it will work with an Electra Glide or Ultra Classic stereo.

[WFP]

Striker, you may want to do a search on this site.  The folks from Radio Sound (they made the head unit) say that you can not put an additional amplifier on this unit due to the internal amplifier built in.  If you do a search, they explain why it will not work with the SEEG stereo, while it will work with an Electra Glide or Ultra Classic stereo.

JCZ,

Don't forget, you did post something about that extra pair of speaker wires in the fairing that could be used without fade control.  The stock speakers are connected to wires coming for the ESS I believe.  The other wires just come form the radio's stock amps.

/Bill

[JCZ]

JCZ,

Don't forget, you did post something about that extra pair of speaker wires in the fairing that could be used without fade control.

[Striker]

That would be correct, if the unit does not have a pre-amp output, you will be limited, there is the possiblilty that the extra set of leads are not amplified leads, in which case you could bridge them through and amp.  I can't say for sure what can be done till I get the unit and look at it.

[JCZ]

O.K. here's a link to that thread (there is some good alternative information in this thread from Gary A)......  
http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=eg_gen;action=display;num=1071202027;start=0

or here is the actual email that they sent to me, back then:

Here's the response from the horses mouth.....    Subject: SEEG rear speakers
 
 
Hello J.C.,
 
The Road Rumble 40(r) would not be compatible with the SEEG radio because
Harley-Davidson radios do not have low level RCA outputs that this amplifier
is designed to utilize.
 
The Amplified CD radio used on the 2004 Screaming Eagle Electra Glide
FLHTCSE is unique to this model motorcycle. The SEEG radio has 4 ohm
speakers in the fairing and an Enhanced Sound System (ESS) amplifier
contained inside the radio driving the speakers. All other stock (non SEEG)
radios use 8 ohm speakers.
 
The SEEG radio differs in other ways from the Ultra and Classic radios. The
outputs from the standard radio amplifiers are internally diverted from the
black radio connector to the internal ESS amplifier. This leaves the
standard speaker output wires in the interconnect harness in the fairing
with no output. As a result, rear speakers can be added but, not as easily
to the SEEG motorcycle as to other models.
 
To add rear speakers to a SEEG:
 
* Install the King Tourpak and Four Speaker ESS kit, part number 77194-02A.
* The 2004 Amplified CD SEEG radio must be replaced with a 2004 Classic
radio, Harley-Davidson part number 76164-04.
 
NOTE: Remove the CVO Audio harness and 15A radio amplifier fuse in the fuse
panel (harness includes a 23 pin Grey connector, speaker wires, ground wire
to left ground stud and power wire from the fuse block). This wiring harness
is no longer needed and should be removed from the motorcycle when the ESS
harness is installed.
 
Using the wrong speaker wires (a possibility if the CVO audio harness is not
removed) will result in a no sound condition. Locate the interconnect
harness speaker wires which were previously unused and taped out of the way.
Connect them to the newly installed ESS wiring harness per the instruction
sheet. These speaker wires are LTGN/W and W/O on the left side and LTGN/BK
and GY/R on the right side. Using these wires will route the output of the
new Classic radio to the Four Speaker ESS amplifier.
 
If you have any further questions, I will be happy to assist you.
 
Best regards,
 
 
John Smith
Senior Technical Advisor
johns@radiosound.com


Here's a link to Gary A's alternative:

To JCZ and all the other SEEG owners. I have an alternative that I have already used on my V-rod Road Rod and I will also be using soon on my '01 SERG.


I plan on doing a post on the complete project in the next week or so. Basicly you can replace your HD sounds with a Blaupunkt head unit that will play MP3 disks (about 150 songs on one CD) Have four channels of 50 watts each with balance and fader, have COMPLETE AND ENHANCED funtionality from your existing hand controls, plus add a CD changer if you really think you need more than 150 songs without having to pop in a new disk. Of course you can also add a totally hidden Sattellite tuner. Everything controls form the factory HD fingertip control levers. DVD too if you are really crazy.  

You can do all this (except DVD) for less than one HD head unit..including 4 top quality speakers, head unit, Sattellite radio etc. The HD in-dash CD player costs $800!

I have to write it up and post it...next week or later this week.....if anyone is interested

http://www.levitzusa.com/files/roadrodsounds.doc

This will either help or confuse. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

[Y2KFLH]

I've installed my Hogtunes, love'em!, also, really appreciate the great service Pez!, Thanks for a great product!  

[tntdse]

My SEEG came with the chopped tour pak as well as the ultra tour pak with speakers. The harness was already there and I just plugged the speakers in and had to plug an amp that was mounted to the bottom of the pak to get sound. Initially I wasn't sure where the large plug in went and just plugged in the speaker connections and didn't have any sound. Once I found the amp under the pak and plugged it in I got sound. Havn't messed with the treble and bass yet but the system sounds kind tinny. I wonder if the 04 and 05 have the same radio. How do you gents like the Dakota Antenna and is it difficult to install? Thanks!

tntdse

[Twolanerider]

My SEEG came with the chopped tour pak as well as the ultra tour pak with speakers. The harness was already there and I just plugged the speakers in and had to plug an amp that was mounted to the bottom of the pak to get sound. Initially I wasn't sure where the large plug in went and just plugged in the speaker connections and didn't have any sound. Once I found the amp under the pak and plugged it in I got sound. Havn't messed with the treble and bass yet but the system sounds kind tinny. I wonder if the 04 and 05 have the same radio. How do you gents like the Dakota Antenna and is it difficult to install? Thanks!

tntdse

TNT, I just did a very quick search for a previous post of JC's and couldn't find it.  Perhaps someone else will and, if not, you might ask him about it.  It detailed the radio manufacturer's saying that a external amp running along with the radio on the SEEG is not a good idea.  Our radios have an amp built in (assuming you've still got the stock radio) that isn't supposed to play happily with an external amp.