Topic: Contrast and Compare the Fullsac and Rinehart True Dual? (Read 5840 times)

Dr.D · « **on:** June 20, 2011, 03:31:17 PM »

A buddy was asking my opinion about the V&H true duals with RC mufflers on his 2011 SERG. I would like to know how they compare in cost and performance to the Fullsac system that many of you are running? When you talk about the cores 1.75/2.0 ect. are those the baffles in the mufflers that come with the header pipes?

Of course he will be doing a SERT and dyno tune at the dealer. He is a lot like me and likes good power but he is over the loud showy stuff. The dealer offered him the V&H Propipe as an option but we both like dual mufflers on the baggers. I have that pipe on my SEDFB and like it but it is to loud IMHO for the SERG.

Sorry my bad I was meaning the Rinehart system.

Dr.D · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2011, 11:24:03 AM »

Thread bump and correction. I meant to compare the Rinehart system, heck I don't know if V&H has a dual for the bagger.

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2011, 05:51:26 PM »

My Opinion: At $1000 for the whole Rinehart system, you can definitely save money with the Fullsac. Personally, I don't care for the look of the header pipe on the Rinehart TD...kinda defeats the purpose of having TD's on the bike to have the rear pipe still on the right side. I can't speak to the noise level, but listened to a Utube video of the RH and they seem a bit loud for my tastes. I have not seen a Dyno chart to compare the two, but if history holds true, with TD's you gnerally lose some on the low end and gain it on the high end (TQ/HP). So, with the RH system, SERT, and Dyno time, he's going to have at least $1600 in it, not counting labor if he is having the dealer install the pipes.

Fullsac Xpipe, 1.75" cores for mufflers, and TTS Mastertune w/necessary cables to "talk" to the ECM...< $1100 for the parts, and TTS map from Fullsac, which, IMO, eliminates the need for Dyno time. Install is easy, maintains the stock look, reduces the heat (eliminates the Cat), runs strong, sounds good. If you have ANY mechanical ability, and a laptop computer, you can do it all yourself. If not, any independent shop could do this, or talk to Steve at Fullsac and see if there is someone local that he can recommend to do the work. Of course, I like the look of the stock mufflers, so all bets are off if he doesn't. With the Fullsac, you reuse the stock muffler cans and all heat shields...everything fits perfectly.

I did this to my SERGU, with the 2" cores, and couldn't be happier with the results. Barks a little when I want it to, but not loud at cruising speeds. The 1.75" cores would be slightly quieter, but still sound "like a Harley". A LOT of folks are running this system with excellent results.

Yes, V&H does make a set of true duals for current baggers, but again, they are going to be in the same price range as the RH's, at least.

S.E.Chic · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:37:26 PM »

I just ordered the Fullsac Stage 1 Sleeper kit for my bike today with 1-3/4" baffles. I should have them on Monday.....will post results shortly thereafter!

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:53:25 PM »

Quote from: kridley on June 21, 2011, 06:37:26 PM

I just ordered the Fullsac Stage 1 Sleeper kit for my bike today with 1-3/4" baffles. I should have them on Monday.....will post results shortly thereafter!

You will be happy with the results, I'm sure

Dr.D · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2011, 09:59:27 AM »

We both like the stock look so the Fullsac sounds good and I thought there may be a cost savings. He will having the dealer doing all the work so there is quite a bit of labor charge and he may have to use the SERT. I am not sure if the dealer in our area has worked with the Fullsac system. Steve if you are reading you should approach Dave at Smoky Mountain HD and get him sold on your product. If you can it might be good for the pocket book.

Those guys do a ton of service in the area. They are the go to shop in the East TN area.

HOGMIKE · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2011, 10:04:50 AM »

Quote from: kridley on June 21, 2011, 06:37:26 PM

I just ordered the Fullsac Stage 1 Sleeper kit for my bike today with 1-3/4" baffles. I should have them on Monday.....will post results shortly thereafter!

I think you will like the setup.
Money was not my main consideration when I made the switch,but, the results are EXACTLY what I was looking for!!

Dr.D · « **Reply #7 on:** June 22, 2011, 01:08:19 PM »

Do true duals run hotter or feel hotter than the x-pipe? I heard they did but could see no reason for it.

ssls6 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 22, 2011, 04:05:47 PM »

I have the RH TD's and they do not feel hot at all when riding. The fullsac are probably the same way.

docrick · « **Reply #9 on:** June 22, 2011, 10:39:33 PM »

Just installed the Full sac x-pipe, 2.25 inch cores and the TTS master tune on my 11 CVO glide and it is just what was needed. sounds great and easy to do. great craftmanship as well.

To compare i has an 07 glide w a 103in kit w stage 2 mods and Rinhart true duals, the sound is comparable IMHO. the 110 is definately as load, just a deep throaty sound, compared to the RH's.

you will be happy. and if you have any issues...Fullsac is awesome to deal with if you need any help.

drider98 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 23, 2011, 12:21:32 AM »

I just did the Fullsac x-Pipe, 2" Cores and TTS Master tune...Wow, What a difference. No more oven on the right leg from the Cat and the tune installed flawlessly.

I have a 2011 CVO Ultra Classic

Dr.D · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2011, 10:18:57 AM »

How long has Fullsac been in business? What proven record do they have?

Steve please feel free to sell your stuff to me on this thread, brag it up bro.

North Star · « **Reply #12 on:** June 23, 2011, 12:58:00 PM »

Quote from: Dr.D on June 23, 2011, 10:18:57 AM

How long has Fullsac been in business? What proven record do they have?

Steve please feel free to sell your stuff to me on this thread, brag it up bro.

Whats better than a vendor tooting his own horn is countless real life riders who are super pleased with his products- best testimonial of all. Add in the fact the prices are reasonable, your supporting a smalltown USA outfit, and you get great service from a nice guy and fellow forum member.......

Dr.D · « **Reply #13 on:** June 23, 2011, 02:26:51 PM »

Quote from: North Star on June 23, 2011, 12:58:00 PM

Whats better than a vendor tooting his own horn is countless real life riders who are super pleased with his products- best testimonial of all. Add in the fact the prices are reasonable, your supporting a smalltown USA outfit, and you get great service from a nice guy and fellow forum member.......

Oh double agree mate but I like to hear the sales pitch and then run it trough the filter of testimonials.

miker · « **Reply #14 on:** June 23, 2011, 02:37:14 PM »

http://www.fullsac.com/

Dr.D · « **Reply #15 on:** June 23, 2011, 03:59:23 PM »

Thanks Miker I have been on their site. I als saw on another thread that someone was putting in core is 08 so I know they have been here since that time at least.

JCZ · « **Reply #16 on:** June 23, 2011, 04:06:58 PM »

Quote from: Dr.D on June 22, 2011, 09:59:27 AM

We both like the stock look so the Fullsac sounds good and I thought there may be a cost savings. He will having the dealer doing all the work so there is quite a bit of labor charge and he may have to use the SERT. I am not sure if the dealer in our area has worked with the Fullsac system. Steve if you are reading you should approach Dave at Smoky Mountain HD and get him sold on your product. If you can it might be good for the pocket book. Those guys do a ton of service in the area. They are the go to shop in the East TN area.

Kind of going about it backwards. The dealership should be doing what the customer wants, not what a supplier or manufacter wants. Fullsac is a proven product on the CVOs and I think it's safe to say that more people on here running Fullsac than any other brand.

Your buddy should be telling the dealership about Fullsac and the dealership will find out soon enough.

JCZ · « **Reply #17 on:** June 23, 2011, 04:08:18 PM »

Quote from: North Star on June 23, 2011, 12:58:00 PM

Whats better than a vendor tooting his own horn is countless real life riders who are super pleased with his products- best testimonial of all. Add in the fact the prices are reasonable, your supporting a smalltown USA outfit, and you get great service from a nice guy and fellow forum member.......

Ooohhhh....somebody else already beat me to it. Point remains the same.

Dr.D · « **Reply #18 on:** June 23, 2011, 04:19:23 PM »

Me backwards?

??

Point taken and I will telling the dealer about the system and informing him that I am recomending the system to all my buddies and if he wants in on the $ction be informed.

North Star · « **Reply #19 on:** June 23, 2011, 05:33:37 PM »

Just give Steve at Fullsac a call then. If he's not there, leave a message- he is really good about returning calls. I'm sure he'd be pleased to give you the sales pitch in person (on the phone).

HOGMIKE · « **Reply #20 on:** June 23, 2011, 07:49:21 PM »

Quote from: Dr.D on June 22, 2011, 01:08:19 PM

Do true duals run hotter or feel hotter than the x-pipe? I heard they did but could see no reason for it.

I've got one of each, don't notice any real difference.

HOGMIKE · « **Reply #21 on:** June 23, 2011, 07:51:11 PM »

Quote from: Dr.D on June 23, 2011, 02:26:51 PM

Oh double agree mate but I like to hear the sales pitch and then run it trough the filter of testimonials.

http://www.fullsac.com/

Mano · « **Reply #22 on:** June 24, 2011, 05:41:04 PM »

Quote from: kridley on June 21, 2011, 06:37:26 PM

I just ordered the Fullsac Stage 1 Sleeper kit for my bike today with 1-3/4" baffles. I should have them on Monday.....will post results shortly thereafter!

Hey Kridley.

I am torn between getting the 1.75 or the 2.0 baffles......waiting to hear what you think especially on the highway with the radio on.

mjb765 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 24, 2011, 06:04:39 PM »

Quote from: Mano on June 24, 2011, 05:41:04 PM

Hey Kridley.

I am torn between getting the 1.75 or the 2.0 baffles......waiting to hear what you think especially on the highway with the radio on.

I had the 2.25" fullsac baffles on mine and had no problem hearing the radio on the highway. You should be fine with either choice.

BostonboyDH · « **Reply #24 on:** June 24, 2011, 07:41:52 PM »

MJB765, What are you running now??? "DH"

mjb765 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 24, 2011, 09:09:17 PM »

Quote from: BostonboyDH on June 24, 2011, 07:41:52 PM

MJB765, What are you running now??? "DH"

Just bought Rinehart 4" slip ons-----I like a little more sound than the Fullsacs were giving me.

Mike

North Star · « **Reply #26 on:** June 25, 2011, 11:39:46 AM »

Quote from: mjb765 on June 24, 2011, 09:09:17 PM

Just bought Rinehart 4" slip ons-----I like a little more sound than the Fullsacs were giving me.

Mike

X 2-did the exact same thing, and I am happy with the switch.

Mano, if we ever do a GTA CVO get together, you could listen to mine

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I don't know why everyone worries about exhaust drowning out your radio at highway speed- THE WIND is your ears enemy on the highway, not the exhaust. Putting on a better windshield to block wind noise would help you hear your stereo better.

My Rineharts seem to settle in to a nice low tone on the highway. I'm only running a 10" Windvest, but with all that plus an upgraded stereo system, I have no probs hearing the stereo on the highway with ear plugs in. Yes, ear plugs- they will do the most for blocking the evil wind noise and actually help you hear your stereo.

RedEagle · « **Reply #27 on:** June 25, 2011, 12:52:41 PM »

Quote from: TCnBham on June 21, 2011, 05:51:26 PM

I did this to my SERGU, with the 2" cores, and couldn't be happier with the results. Barks a little when I want it to, but not loud at cruising speeds. The 1.75" cores would be slightly quieter, but still sound "like a Harley". A LOT of folks are running this system with excellent results.

X2 Count me as one of the Happy Riders. I went with the 2" baffle.

Fullsac Performance · « **Reply #28 on:** June 25, 2011, 05:28:52 PM »

Quote from: Dr.D on June 23, 2011, 10:18:57 AM

How long has Fullsac been in business? What proven record do they have?

Steve please feel free to sell your stuff to me on this thread, brag it up bro.

Ok, ready for my sales pitch? "Parts that actually work"! How bout "Cheap parts that work good"! Wait that didn't sound right.

"Hall ass for less cash"? Good? no. "Cool off the wifes boots for a lot less loot"? "Keep the wifey happy or you'll get a slappy." That was for HogMike. LOL..Just kidding Susie.

Let me go back in the dyno room and work on this new shiney black Snow Blower (Victory) and I will think of something clever.

Thanks everyone for your support. You Guys are awesome!

Steve George
Fullsac Performance

HOGMIKE · « **Reply #29 on:** June 26, 2011, 12:42:45 AM »

Quote from: Fullsac Perf on June 25, 2011, 05:28:52 PM

Ok, ready for my sales pitch? "Parts that actually work"! How bout "Cheap parts that work good"! Wait that didn't sound right.

"Hall ass for less cash"? Good? no. "Cool off the wifes boots for a lot less loot"? "Keep the wifey happy or you'll get a slappy." That was for HoggMike. LOL..Just kidding Susie.

Let me go back in the dyno room and work on this new shiney black Snow Blower (Victory) and I will think of something clever.

Thanks everyone for your support. You Guys are awesome!

Steve George
Fullsac Performance

Susie says: "just for that we ain't coming to visit until the temps drop below 100........see you in December!!" LOL

Matt k · « **Reply #30 on:** June 26, 2011, 02:23:45 PM »

Just had the fullsac x-pipe installed (by dealer) and the TTS tuned (no dyno) . Have the Reinhart 4" slip-ons this ruby '11 Ultra. I think it sounds great (little louder rumble than with the stock header). Was 93 degrees here in St. Pete yesterday so I purposely made a bunch of stops at lights. Amazingly cooler! HP maxed at 90.35 and torque at 104.67. I guess that's OK. Does feel more power starting from each gear.

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