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[delnel]

I went to my local dealer last night because he called and said he finally recieved his first SESG. It is the Concord bike and I am going to take it. I asked the service manager if the head pipes had a cat converter in it and he did not know. The question is do all SESG's have a converter in them? I have read the threads about what every one is doing for exhaust and am unsure what to do. What is working and what is coming out for them in the near future? DelNel

[TEQUILA -aka- RED RUM]

All SESG have the cat in the front  pipe.....the company's are working on a pipe...

[LarryB]

I went to my local dealer last night because he called and said he finally recieved his first SESG. It is the Concord bike and I am going to take it. I asked the service manager if the head pipes had a cat converter in it and he did not know. The question is do all SESG's have a converter in them? I have read the threads about what every one is doing for exhaust and am unsure what to do. What is working and what is coming out for them in the near future? DelNel

thats funny right there.
you'll start seeing options soon, takes a few weeks but fear not. last year most of us killed the Cat and did the Fullsac baffles. i don't think anyone is dissapointed they did

[delnel]

It is funny for a service manager to say something like that. He says well no body had ever asked such a thing. DelNel

[jacksglide]

Sounds like this service manager should go back to playing his or her video games for a living!!!!!!!!

[GregKhougaz]

$.02:  The 2010 SESG is really a 2009 SERG with a batwing and different wheels.  The exhaust, identical to the 09 SERG but for the relocated O2 sensors.  Assuming that is correct, the SERG owners had great success and power by cat drilling or removal and recoring mufflers.  Jim Kerr posted threads which were very helpful and had photographic instructions: 

Removing a Catalytic Converter form 09 CVO Road Glide

Installing Fullsac Baffles on 09 CVO Road Glide

        The above process cost about $140 and took a couple of hours with a buddy and a couple of beers.  If you have to have a "cat free" headpipe see here:

Modifying the stock headpipe for more power!

        After market head pipes and muffs....  about $900.        Note that anything that leans out these lean running engines requires a tuner and dyno.  Mod on.

[grc]

Sounds like this service manager should go back to playing his or her video games for a living!!!!!!!!

I doesn't take much to become the service manager in a lot of dealerships these days.  Being related to the dealer seems to be the best way to land the job, closely followed by being the deadbeat brother of the dealer's wife.  And that isn't my opinion just for Harley, auto dealerships aren't all that much better.

I remember back when each new model year led me and those like me to study every detail about the new models (I'm talking cars and trucks), so we would be fully up to date when the new vehicles went on sale.  Now you talk to dealership folks or even some factory folks and they don't have a clue about the new stuff, or even last years stuff.  It's just a job, and besides, if they really need to know some day they can always look it up (or in the case of many, just make something up).

If someone wants the straight scoop on their new product these days, and it isn't spelled out in the manual, they are more likely to get the right answer in an online forum than from their dealer.  Sad state of affairs in my opinion, and only destined to get worse.

Jerry

[mjb765]

I doesn't take much to become the service manager in a lot of dealerships these days.  Being related to the dealer seems to be the best way to land the job, closely followed by being the deadbeat brother of the dealer's wife.  And that isn't my opinion just for Harley, auto dealerships aren't all that much better.

I remember back when each new model year led me and those like me to study every detail about the new models (I'm talking cars and trucks), so we would be fully up to date when the new vehicles went on sale.  Now you talk to dealership folks or even some factory folks and they don't have a clue about the new stuff, or even last years stuff.  It's just a job, and besides, if they really need to know some day they can always look it up (or in the case of many, just make something up).

If someone wants the straight scoop on their new product these days, and it isn't spelled out in the manual, they are more likely to get the right answer in an online forum than from their dealer.  Sad state of affairs in my opinion, and only destined to get worse.

Jerry

 

[RedDevil]

$.02:  The 2010 SESG is really a 2009 SERG with a batwing and different wheels.  The exhaust, identical to the 09 SERG but for the relocated O2 sensors.  Assuming that is correct, the SERG owners had great success and

Yeah, they're the same, except for the exhaust header placement of the heated O2 sensors, the batwing fairing, the slammed front fender, the one-piece extended saddle bags, the moustache bars, the different seat, the hydraulic rear suspension, and different wheels.  In reality the only thing they have in common is the 110 engine, 6-speed transmission, and the rear end LED strips and bag fillers.  Yeah, it's the same as the SERG.  

[mjb765]

Yeah, they're the same, except for the exhaust header placement of the heated O2 sensors, the batwing fairing, the slammed front fender, the one-piece extended saddle bags, the moustache bars, the different seat, the hydraulic rear suspension, and different wheels.  In reality the only thing they have in common is the 110 engine, 6-speed transmission, and the rear end LED strips and bag fillers.  Yeah, it's the same as the SERG.  

you forgot the gas tank

[JCZ]

Yeah, they're the same, except for the exhaust header placement of the heated O2 sensors, the batwing fairing, the slammed front fender, the one-piece extended saddle bags, the moustache bars, the different seat, the hydraulic rear suspension, and different wheels.  In reality the only thing they have in common is the 110 engine, 6-speed transmission, and the rear end LED strips and bag fillers.  Yeah, it's the same as the SERG.  

Well, close to the same.......SERG owners would like to think they're the same.

[JCZ]

It is funny for a service manager to say something like that. He says well no body had ever asked such a thing. DelNel

What's really funny is that he was honest with you that he didn't know.....instead of just feeding you a bunch of BS.


By the way.........I got another email from Bub yesterday.  They said they'd have their exhaust systems ready for the 2010 models in mid to late Oct.

[michaelbmenaker]

I went to my local dealer last night because he called and said he finally recieved his first SESG. It is the Concord bike and I am going to take it. I asked the service manager if the head pipes had a cat converter in it and he did not know. The question is do all SESG's have a converter in them? I have read the threads about what every one is doing for exhaust and am unsure what to do. What is working and what is coming out for them in the near future? DelNel

I had Fullsac remove the cat and had the dealer install the fullsac 2.0" baffles. Then dyno tuned with a SERT. I am happy with the results, but believe the dyno tune is the key. As I posted elsewhere on this forum the AFR numbers are key. Mine are AFR was set in 250rpm increments from 1500 - 3000 rpm then in 500 rpm segments from 3000 - 5000 rpm. Target was 14.1 to 3500; 13.6 @ 4000; 13.3 at 4500 and 5000. Idle is set at 1000 rpm with an AFR of 13.9.

Attached is the dyno run chart

[harleymike77]

I had Fullsac remove the cat and had the dealer install the fullsac 2.0" baffles. Then dyno tuned with a SERT. I am happy with the results, but believe the dyno tune is the key. As I posted elsewhere on this forum the AFR numbers are key. Mine are AFR was set in 250rpm increments from 1500 - 3000 rpm then in 500 rpm segments from 3000 - 5000 rpm. Target was 14.1 to 3500; 13.6 @ 4000; 13.3 at 4500 and 5000. Idle is set at 1000 rpm with an AFR of 13.9.

Attached is the dyno run chart

Now THAT is EXACTLY the route I want to go!  Thanks michaelbmenaker for taking the time to post 

[mjb765]

Hey mike--any ETA on the bike yet???

[harleymike77]

Hey mike--any ETA on the bike yet???

Hey Mike.  Dealer has a Tequila Sunrise coming in the first week of October.  #1 on the list has scooped it, so that puts me at Number 2.  I was told yesterday, they should know how many SESG's and what colors they will be getting around mid to late November.  Looks like I may have to wait as long as possibly March........ ......... But, the cold weather will soon be blowing, and it's GREAT to see the mods everyone is doing  .  I think I will drop a few grand on mods before I get the bike  ........

[jacksglide]

Jerry;

          I have worked for both car and motorcycle dealers. I agree completely with your statement. How can you expect to do well at your chosen profession, when you do not take the time to be technically and tactically proficient. It simply astounds me when I recently was purchasing a new car from my local dealership, the HEAD salesman, with all of these awards around his desk, had NO clue about anything on this car!!! I would ask him a question, and he would give me a bulls!#$ answer. When we sat down at his desk, the business owner/sales mgr saw that I was NOT impressed and he came over to talk with me. I explained that I did my homework on this vehicle, one of the hottest selling vehicles in the U.S. to date, and it was a sad state of affairs that I new a lot more about the car than the salesman did. To top it off, when asked general knowledge questions, the guy out right LIED to me. Lets just say I did not buy from them.

[Highjagger]

I had Fullsac remove the cat and had the dealer install the fullsac 2.0" baffles. Then dyno tuned with a SERT. I am happy with the results, but believe the dyno tune is the key. As I posted elsewhere on this forum the AFR numbers are key. Mine are AFR was set in 250rpm increments from 1500 - 3000 rpm then in 500 rpm segments from 3000 - 5000 rpm. Target was 14.1 to 3500; 13.6 @ 4000; 13.3 at 4500 and 5000. Idle is set at 1000 rpm with an AFR of 13.9.

Attached is the dyno run chart

Why not setting all to 13 AFR ? Wouldn`t this be a better performance result ?

[Diamondback]

 

Well if all you wanted was performance you could set the AFR to 12.1.  HOever, this would get terrible gas mileage and at cruise foul the plugs.

You want the AFR at full throttle to be in the low 12's.  Then when you are cruising set the AFR to a higher number to get better gas mileage etc.  HD sets it at 14.5 or higher to run lean (and Hot) to meet EPA requirements.

The numbers above are good targets.

 

[TEQUILA -aka- RED RUM]

Is it good to put a auto power cammander on the 110 from day one?

[Hoist!]

Is it good to put a auto power cammander on the 110 from day one?

Putting any tuning device on and having it properly tuned from day one is not only good, it's mandatory IMO!

Don't know much about that PC autotuner. Just referring to tuning of some type being necessary.

Hoist!

[Steppr]

Not exhaust related.
Actually a Thank You to Delnel (Delbert). I beleive that I have purchased your 04 Screamin Eagle Ultra, and just wanted to say Thank You for maintaining it in the shape that you did. Is an absolutley gorgeous scooter and I look forward to giving her a workout - if this freeking snow ever melts. Keep me in mind if you get the urge to trade up again.
Go ride eh - Stepper

[delnel]

Steppr Glad you got the bike I believe Bob at Heartland owes me a bird dog fee ENJOY I sure did. DelNel

[2010spicedrum]

Just finished the stage 1 fullsac with 2.0 baffles runs and sounds great. I tried to post a short video but I don't know how.

[StreetDog]

Did you have it tuned?

[TEQUILA -aka- RED RUM]

Just finished the stage 1 fullsac with 2.0 baffles runs and sounds great. I tried to post a short video but I don't know how.

   going to do the same.............need movie....

[2010spicedrum]

I used the TTS tuner and fullsacs tune.