Topic: 2013 SERK Reverse (Read 8108 times)

JJAA · « **on:** October 14, 2013, 11:24:49 AM »

Hello,

I'm looking for a reverse kit for my FLHRSE5.
Dealer says it will be difficult to find because of the (new ?) hydraulic clutch, matter of clearance...
I googled around but neither Champion, Mamba nore Baker clearly state about model compatibility.

Have you heard about any successfull install ?

Merci,

Jean-Jacques

GregKhougaz · « **Reply #1 on:** October 14, 2013, 11:31:51 AM »

Heck, for enough money, you can find anything: Reverse Gear For Harley Davidson 09- Current FLH 6 SPEED HYDRAULIC CLUTCH

Good luck!

JJAA · « **Reply #2 on:** October 14, 2013, 11:41:08 AM »

Quote from: GregKhougaz on October 14, 2013, 11:31:51 AM

Heck, for enough money, you can find anything: Reverse Gear For Harley Davidson 09- Current FLH 6 SPEED HYDRAULIC CLUTCH

Good luck!

Thanks Greg,

Do you confirm having seen that one on a 2013 SERK ?
2013 have width adjustments that does not allow much free space, and prevent the use of kits that claim to be compatible.
That's why I'm so carefull not to become member of 'reselling new' ads...

JJ

GregKhougaz · « **Reply #3 on:** October 14, 2013, 12:41:51 PM »

T Sorry but have NOT seen one installed and I do not endorse the product. There were several different versions on this company's website. The website I gave you was for the one that is claimed to fit your bike.

TinSpinner · « **Reply #4 on:** October 14, 2013, 02:17:37 PM »

Check this thread, there are a couple of other brands mentioned:

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=87813.0

JJAA · « **Reply #5 on:** October 14, 2013, 02:23:39 PM »

Quote from: TinSpinner on October 14, 2013, 02:17:37 PM

Check this thread, there are a couple of other brands mentioned:

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=87813.0

Thanks TinSpinner, I had been through this thread.
I keep searching

JJ

ultrarider123 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2013, 03:10:28 PM »

JJ, try this link...
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=81820.0

lovemycvogirl (Judy) put this on her 2012 SESG with great results. However, I do understand your 2013 SERK may have a different set of issues as the clutch is a "slipper" and the hydraulic fill/vent is in a different place on your RK. However, I'm sure the manufacturer has made the adjustments to accommodate the changes on the 2013/newer bikes. I'm sure Judy would be more than happy to tell you about her experience with the reverse she had installed.

Haird

Pete7539 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2013, 03:18:44 PM »

You could also contact Baker. I know last year they were in development of something for the stock 2-1 exhaust. Last I knew, anything after 08 model needed true duals or something similar to clear solenoid. They may have worked something out by now or be close to. It is a great system. Push a button(safety lockout solenoid) then downshift when you're in first and it brings you into reverse creeper gear. To get out upshift back to first.

JJAA · « **Reply #8 on:** October 14, 2013, 06:16:17 PM »

I wrote to Baker, waiting...
I've asked Judy's supplier.

Will let you know, any feedback welcome.

JJ

mcdonaldroadcapt · « **Reply #9 on:** October 15, 2013, 12:27:23 PM »

CHAMPION is a great reverse set up. I have one on my 08 CVO Ultra with hydraulic clutch. I have logged over 38,000 miles on it using it often. Never had a problem. Just need to remember to take it out of reverse prior to shifting to 1st gear or damage can be done.

JJAA · « **Reply #10 on:** October 15, 2013, 01:53:47 PM »

Quote from: mcdonaldroadcapt on October 15, 2013, 12:27:23 PM

CHAMPION is a great reverse set up. I have one on my 08 CVO Ultra with hydraulic clutch. I have logged over 38,000 miles on it using it often. Never had a problem. Just need to remember to take it out of reverse prior to shifting to 1st gear or damage can be done.

Good points, but last one scares me...
Thought there was some security preventing 1st gear and reverse to mix up the box

Pete7539 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 15, 2013, 02:07:00 PM »

Quote from: JJAA on October 15, 2013, 01:53:47 PM

Good points, but last one scares me...
Thought there was some security preventing 1st gear and reverse to mix up the box

Baker does, not sure about the others. Baker also costs a fair amount more...

mcdonaldroadcapt · « **Reply #12 on:** October 15, 2013, 02:17:55 PM »

You may be right. I think that they came up with a safety switch.

Pete7539 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 15, 2013, 02:35:32 PM »

Just talked to guy who installed mine. Baker does have a redesigned solenoid available now for all bikes 09 and up. $1895 retail

Said to give James a call over at Baker 517-339-3835

Pete7539 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 15, 2013, 02:43:56 PM »

*2009-Later Touring Model Exhaust Installation Notes: The Stock exhaust 2 into 1 into 2 design requires the use of the Rear Facing Solenoid Side Covers. See the ‘F6R Side Cover Styles’ images further down the page for solenoid locations.

LovemyCVOgirl · « **Reply #15 on:** October 15, 2013, 06:49:21 PM »

Quote from: mcdonaldroadcapt on October 15, 2013, 12:27:23 PM

CHAMPION is a great reverse set up. I have one on my 08 CVO Ultra with hydraulic clutch. I have logged over 38,000 miles on it using it often. Never had a problem. Just need to remember to take it out of reverse prior to shifting to 1st gear or damage can be done.

I really like my Champion! Very easy to use and I think it looks nice.

JJAA · « **Reply #16 on:** October 15, 2013, 07:53:32 PM »

Almost done...

BAKER chat :

"

you: Hello Matthew, I'm Jean-Jacques
I have a 2013 FLHRSE5 (Road King Harley CVO)
... and want to install a reverse kit.

Matthew: Okay, our F6RV-HC kit will work with your bike
http://bakerdrivetrain.com/f6r-factory-6-speed-reverse

you: You were to update something to deal with the width clearance. Is it ok now ?

Matthew: We updated the solenoid placement to allow fitment with any type of exhaust.

you: Cool, from whom should I buy for France ?
What recommended overall cost ?

Matthew: The total cost for this kit is $1895

you: Perfect !

you: Merci ...

Matthew: pas de problème!

you: :-)

Matthew: There is a dealer in Paris
their name is Absolut Cycles telephone# 43723768

you: And is it a difficult install : special tools needed or drilling or so needed ?

Matthew: It takes about 8 hours
you will need an inner race removal tool as well as a main bearing installation and removal tool.

you: OK.
Merci beaucoup.
Bye

Matthew: Have a good evening!

...

"

Will have a call to Absolut Cycle, and maybe a 1400 Km ride, go and reverse

JJ

Para Bellum · « **Reply #17 on:** October 16, 2013, 01:17:45 AM »

Quote from: JJAA on October 15, 2013, 01:53:47 PM

Good points, but last one scares me...
Thought there was some security preventing 1st gear and reverse to mix up the box

I used the Champion reverse for many years (until I put in the Baker 7 speed) with a hydraulic clutch--no problems. Easy to use and, when using reverse, it's a big enough "event" that I never had any trouble remembering to take it out of R.

timo482 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 16, 2013, 07:45:10 PM »

the baker unit for the cruise drive has the reverse on the main shift drum - so you push a button to hold a solenoid open and then push the shifter down one click PAST first - and its in reverse, to go forward you simply pull up to first and the solenoid clicks in to prevent accidental shifts to reverse when you are trying to make sure its in first at a stop light.

all the other systems use electronics to try and prevent it going into forward and reverse at the same time

EXCEPT the factory harley 3 speed and reverse transmissions available special order till sometime in the late 70's maybe? dont know the exact year. but sidecar bikes could get factory reverse. and again its was down past first like the new baker units are.

if i ever get a pile of cash - thats the mod id put on my sidecar bike - a baker reverse.....

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BALIS · « **Reply #19 on:** October 17, 2013, 05:58:34 AM »

Quote from: JJAA on October 15, 2013, 07:53:32 PM

Almost done...

BAKER chat :

"

you: Hello Matthew, I'm Jean-Jacques
I have a 2013 FLHRSE5 (Road King Harley CVO)
... and want to install a reverse kit.

Matthew: Okay, our F6RV-HC kit will work with your bike
http://bakerdrivetrain.com/f6r-factory-6-speed-reverse

you: You were to update something to deal with the width clearance. Is it ok now ?

Matthew: We updated the solenoid placement to allow fitment with any type of exhaust.

you: Cool, from whom should I buy for France ?
What recommended overall cost ?

Matthew: The total cost for this kit is $1895

you: Perfect !

you: Merci ...

Matthew: pas de problème!

you: :-)

Matthew: There is a dealer in Paris
their name is Absolut Cycles telephone# 43723768

you: And is it a difficult install : special tools needed or drilling or so needed ?

Matthew: It takes about 8 hours
you will need an inner race removal tool as well as a main bearing installation and removal tool.

you: OK.
Merci beaucoup.
Bye

Matthew: Have a good evening!

...

"

Will have a call to Absolut Cycle, and maybe a 1400 Km ride, go and reverse

JJ

What is the price at Absolut Cycles in Paris.
Thanks in advance for your response.

Pete7539 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 17, 2013, 05:45:41 PM »

I'm guessing at most 1385 euros plus labor maybe 438 for 6 hours. Total 1823 Euro should be about right.

They shouldn't charge more than that for the unit itself. It retails here for $1895, but can be had for closer to $1600 to an end user, I'm betting they give their installers even a better deal than that. So if they get the unit from Baker themselves they're still making money on it because they aren't paying $1895, but the bill of sale with labor will indicate full retail.

Pete7539 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 17, 2013, 05:52:02 PM »

Quote from: BALIS on October 17, 2013, 05:58:34 AM

What is the price at Absolut Cycles in Paris.
Thanks in advance for your response.

Looks to be the closest installer to you

Moreels Willy
Oud-Dorp 52
Haaltert, /9-450

JJAA · « **Reply #22 on:** October 19, 2013, 01:15:55 PM »

Absolut Cycles does not sell anymore Reverse kits and they have no suggestions about who to call.

So I asked Baker : I want to find someone with knowledge because there may be a clearance problem with the O² sensors...
Will let you know.

JJ

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