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[HogBreath]

I briefly searched for an existing thread on this. It may already be here somewhere, if it is, My apologies.

Hoist pointed out the heads on my 110 engine leaking. It's minimal, but I understand it can do nothing except get worse. I don't think I have to get it fixed tomorrow, but I need to get it fixed. It should be under warranty. I called the wrench at my dealership with my thoughts.

Ok, Head leaking, need to change the head gasket. I've read on here than the thinner gaskets are used to increase compression and should be replaced with thicker gaskets. Is that correct? Dealer says that's not so. Then, when I tell him my buddies on the internet says different, his response of course is, Can't beleive everything you hear online. Yea, I know, but he doesn't know this web site. I don't believe EVERYTHING I read here, I'm not completely giullible.

If the head has to come off, that should be the time for different cams. Talkng to a few others on here SE's 251 is a good cam. Not too aggressive. Dealer agrees, and agrees it would be a good time to do it.

The thundermax AT needs to be remapped. Thinking I'll talk to Rhino sometime and see what he thinks. THAt At seems to be his thing. Dealer says he can do it. We'll see. I may compare dealers thoughts to others.

It's funny when you talk to the dealers and they are always saying something opposite of what we read here. I ask if he's had any customers with problems, NO not a one. Tells me the seepage I'm seeing is probably from the intake filter.

Saturday i plan to ride down and let him take a peep. Also asked him to talk to the powers that be over the thin/thicker head gasket. I'll keep ya posted.

[Chief]

I briefly searched for an existing thread on this. It may already be here somewhere, if it is, My apologies.

Hoist pointed out the heads on my 110 engine leaking. It's minimal, but I understand it can do nothing except get worse. I don't think I have to get it fixed tomorrow, but I need to get it fixed. It should be under warranty. I called the wrench at my dealership with my thoughts.

Ok, Head leaking, need to change the head gasket. I've read on here than the thinner gaskets are used to increase compression and should be replaced with thicker gaskets. Is that correct? Dealer says that's not so. Then, when I tell him my buddies on the internet says different, his response of course is, Can't beleive everything you hear online. Yea, I know, but he doesn't know this web site. I don't believe EVERYTHING I read here, I'm not completely giullible.

If the head has to come off, that should be the time for different cams. Talkng to a few others on here SE's 251 is a good cam. Not too aggressive. Dealer agrees, and agrees it would be a good time to do it.

The thundermax AT needs to be remapped. Thinking I'll talk to Rhino sometime and see what he thinks. THAt At seems to be his thing. Dealer says he can do it. We'll see. I may compare dealers thoughts to others.

It's funny when you talk to the dealers and they are always saying something opposite of what we read here. I ask if he's had any customers with problems, NO not a one. Tells me the seepage I'm seeing is probably from the intake filter.

Saturday i plan to ride down and let him take a peep. Also asked him to talk to the powers that be over the thin/thicker head gasket. I'll keep ya posted.

I did not get to see the new head gasket, but the tech said it was a bit thicker, not bunches, but some. He said the hole around the oil return was definitely different. That difference tells me that the revision was done to solve this problem.

I would also ask them to look inside the rocker box and see if the intake valve spring retainer is hitting. Mine was, in both boxes.

Now, as for all you guys getting new cams. Stop it! I don't need to spend the money.

[iski]

I did not get to see the new head gasket, but the tech said it was a bit thicker, not bunches, but some. He said the hole around the oil return was definitely different. That difference tells me that the revision was done to solve this problem.

I would also ask them to look inside the rocker box and see if the intake valve spring retainer is hitting. Mine was, in both boxes.

Now, as for all you guys getting new cams. Stop it! I don't need to spend the money.

Is the leaking head gasket problem related to the resulting possible cam replacement scenario?

My head gaskets leak, good time to get cams while they are being replaced?

[Chief]

Is the leaking head gasket problem related to the resulting possible cam replacement scenario?

My head gaskets leak, good time to get cams while they are being replaced?

You can save some parts and labor since they will have the head (in my case, only 1), or heads, off and the pushrods out. You won't need adjustable pushrods which saves some $$.

As an added bonus, they will be able to check the run-out on the pinion, another semi-common problem. Be careful, they may want to give you a new motor if run-out is excessive and then you have to start over.

[HogBreath]

I did not get to see the new head gasket, but the tech said it was a bit thicker, not bunches, but some. He said the hole around the oil return was definitely different. That difference tells me that the revision was done to solve this problem.

I would also ask them to look inside the rocker box and see if the intake valve spring retainer is hitting. Mine was, in both boxes.

Now, as for all you guys getting new cams. Stop it! I don't need to spend the money.

New brick veneeer, or a new cam. Chief, that's a no brainer. Do you REALLY even need a house?

[iski]

You can save some parts and labor since they will have the head (in my case, only 1), or heads, off and the pushrods out. You won't need adjustable pushrods which saves some $$.

As an added bonus, they will be able to check the run-out on the pinion, another semi-common problem. Be careful, they may want to give you a new motor if run-out is excessive and then you have to start over.

Thanks Chief.  Seems like a natural - labor savings and all.

[Chief]

New brick veneeer, or a new cam. Chief, that's a no brainer. Do you REALLY even need a house?

Are both of yours leaky? The norm has been just the rear one. Sounds like you're special.

Here's one of the other threads on this, with pictures:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=12869.0

[hard10]

Ken, have them change BOTH. Do not take no for an answer! They both need to be done. The NEW part number is 16801-07A. Have them look it up in HDNet.com.

AJ

[Chief]

Ken, have them change BOTH. Do not take no for an answer! They both need to be done. The NEW part number is 16801-07A. Have them look it up in HDNet.com.

AJ

I suggested that they do both on my bike, but didn't push too hard. They said with no indication of leakage on the front one, HD wouldn't cover it. I'm ok with the decision.

I do understand the theory of having the same gasket on both heads tho.

[Twolanerider]

Ken, have them change BOTH. Do not take no for an answer! They both need to be done. The NEW part number is 16801-07A. Have them look it up in HDNet.com.

AJ

The new gasket is reported to be thicker.  I'd certainly take exception to mismatched head gaskets having to be accepted as a result of a warranty failure.  Especially when the failed piece had been superceded so early in its lifespan.

[HogBreath]

Are both of yours leaky? The norm has been just the rear one. Sounds like you're special.

Here's one of the other threads on this, with pictures:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=12869.0

Just the rear head so far.

[nixobilly]

My dealers' best practice is replace both -- good thing 'cause I wanted them both replaced anyway....

Mark

[Hugh Janis]

Think of it as a runny nose.  Your bike has a cold.  Don't worry, it'll heal.  For what we paid for these bikes they should heal themselves!

[TimBone]

I am with you guys, just noticed the seeping on my rear head gasket at just over 5K miles.  Now to find a good dealer here in North Carolina that will take care of me.
Oh OK, time for some CAMs, HaHa, I love it.

[Smiler]

You can save some parts and labor since they will have the head (in my case, only 1), or heads, off and the pushrods out. You won't need adjustable pushrods which saves some $$.

As an added bonus, they will be able to check the run-out on the pinion, another semi-common problem. Be careful, they may want to give you a new motor if run-out is excessive and then you have to start over.

Chief
What do you mean by run-out?