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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2021, 10:52:07 PM »

It seems there is interest in road racing baggers.  :pineapple:

Bagger Racing League

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2021/03/11/bagger-racing-league-expands-over-100-riders-ready-to-race/
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2021, 06:13:24 AM »

Entertaining to watch, yup. Biased towards Polaris? Absolutely. With the announcement of IM being a partner in the whole thing make my interest level drop. Everyone makes a big deal about the Polaris Challenger thrashing the HD bikes. Yup, liquid cooled vs air cooled is fair. They seem to forget to mention that. Let's toss a Beemer bagger or even better yet, an F6B in the mix and see what happens....



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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2021, 12:39:17 PM »

It seems there is interest in road racing baggers.  :pineapple:

Bagger Racing League

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2021/03/11/bagger-racing-league-expands-over-100-riders-ready-to-race/
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/indian-slaps-harley-davidson-again-becomes-king-of-the-baggers-official-partner-159158.html

Phil and Mike. You might look at this website, they are at Michelin Raceway Road Atlanta end of April first of May. There were supposed to be 5 Baqger races but now have been cut to three with Indian being the main sponsor.


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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2021, 04:21:30 PM »

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/indian-slaps-harley-davidson-again-becomes-king-of-the-baggers-official-partner-159158.html

Phil and Mike. You might look at this website, they are at Michelin Raceway Road Atlanta end of April first of May. There were supposed to be 5 Baqger races but now have been cut to three with Indian being the main sponsor.


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Gary, the link you quoted me is a different race altogether than the King of the baggers series which you posted. It caught my eye about HD sponsoring a race team and throwing 30k at other teams running a HD in the King of the Baggers race series.

The BRL is testing the waters in a different way for the American v-twins road race competition in Utah, I’m sure rules and such will change frequently as all this is new but it seems they do have allot of interest, or so they say.

Competition at the race track is good for us between these two companies and I look forward to seeing what they got.

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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2021, 04:40:59 PM »

Dose the site your looking at have a race schedule? The one I looked at had 5 races but now have lowered it to only 3. The Bagger races are included in the Super Bike races as if you look at the schedule for road Atlanta it is over 3 days.


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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2021, 08:11:38 PM »

Entertaining to watch, yup. Biased towards Polaris? Absolutely. With the announcement of IM being a partner in the whole thing make my interest level drop. Everyone makes a big deal about the Polaris Challenger thrashing the HD bikes. Yup, liquid cooled vs air cooled is fair. They seem to forget to mention that. Let's toss a Beemer bagger or even better yet, an F6B in the mix and see what happens....



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How is it biased towards Indian?  If the race is biased, that means it’s designed to favor IM and I don’t see that.  Having a better product isn't a bias.       
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2021, 05:41:00 AM »

How is it biased towards Indian?  If the race is biased, that means it’s designed to favor IM and I don’t see that.  Having a better product isn't a bias.       
Being The sponsor of the race series sure has a lot of pull. Just rename it to "The IM liquid cooled vs the HD air cooled bike racing series " brought to you by the company with the apples instead of the oranges  >:(

You must have ignored the rest of on rant about inviting the other liquid cooled bikes into the mix.  :nixweiss:
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2021, 06:54:00 AM »

Dose the site your looking at have a race schedule? The one I looked at had 5 races but now have lowered it to only 3. The Bagger races are included in the Super Bike races as if you look at the schedule for road Atlanta it is over 3 days.


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Yes, they originally had five races on the schedule, looks like they cut Barber in AL and Pittsburg in Pa racetracks for a three race series for the king of the baggers.

HD can run a 131 naturally aspirated vs a 111 for Indian, maybe Indian should give the HD's a spot too.  :drink:
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2021, 09:06:35 AM »

Being The sponsor of the race series sure has a lot of pull. Just rename it to "The IM liquid cooled vs the HD air cooled bike racing series " brought to you by the company with the apples instead of the oranges  >:(

You must have ignored the rest of on rant about inviting the other liquid cooled bikes into the mix.  :nixweiss:
This is a race created for American baggers, not European or Japanese, and sponsoring the race doesn’t change the rules.  Based on the results of the first race, Indian doesn’t need any “sponsor” pull to perform well.  I don’t know if you watched the first race, but the Indian won because of superior handling, braking, and design, not because it was liquid cooled.  There were HDs entered that had much more hp, including at least one turbo charged HD.  The third place finisher was a Roland Sands Challenger that had basically a stock engine. 
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2021, 10:07:42 AM »

I think Harley should have stayed on the porch on this one.

The rider who won on the Indian ran off the friggin course after leading by a mile and caught the non HD sponsored, wink wink, Vance and Hines Street Glide and passed him like he was sitting still.
With more time to tweak the Indian, and more Indians in the field, I reckon I’d bet my money on the Tribe going on the warpath again.

They already run Harley out of the AMA Flattrack Series.
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2021, 01:30:24 PM »

Being The sponsor of the race series sure has a lot of pull. Just rename it to "The IM liquid cooled vs the HD air cooled bike racing series " brought to you by the company with the apples instead of the oranges  >:(

You must have ignored the rest of on rant about inviting the other liquid cooled bikes into the mix.  :nixweiss:

Maybe HD should simply produce a liquid cooled bagger like everyone has been clamoring for since the release of the Revolution motor.  Holding on to the air cooled is no good if the company cannot sell bikes.

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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2021, 08:29:14 AM »

This race keeps getting sponsors, not getting much track time or too much positive reviews by the super bike crowd. I like this event.



https://motoamerica.com/harley-davidson-becomes-an-official-partner-of-2021-motoamerica-series/


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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2021, 02:36:53 PM »

Race results........  :carrot:


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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2021, 08:02:54 PM »

Indian mounted Tyler OHara thumped them again. Harley may have to hire this guy away from S&S to win one.
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2021, 10:45:38 PM »

It was a good race, competitive to the end.  If they race on a track with longer straightaways, an HD may have the advantage.
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2021, 11:35:25 AM »

https://motoamerica.com/eric-stahl-rises-from-the-ashes/

The MOCO being generous  :2vrolijk_21:

Another King of the Baggers race this weekend, longer track, should be interesting.






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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2021, 07:27:44 AM »

With all the resources MOCO has put in this they may stand a chance, race is today on Fox2 or streamed on bookface maybe.

https://motoamerica.com/harley-davidsons-king-of-baggers-team-now-features-two-wyman-brothers/

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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2021, 07:34:49 AM »

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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2021, 10:20:35 AM »

If you have DirectTV, the King of the Baggers race will be broadcast on FS2 (channel 618) at 5:30 pm East Coast time, Sunday, Jun 13.
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2021, 10:35:50 AM »

If you have DirectTV, the King of the Baggers race will be broadcast on FS2 (channel 618) at 5:30 pm East Coast time, Sunday, Jun 13.

Thanks for the heads up. I have Xfinity and just looked at FS2. It will be broadcast on that channel for cable as well.
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2021, 05:28:51 PM »

#1, #2 #3 on the podium for MoCo Factory Race Team! Finally!

Relocating the oil cooler in the fake headlights assembly on the Factory Road Glides bikes. Making a difference.  :2vrolijk_21:


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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2021, 06:49:49 PM »

Yes HD won one, good for them.  :2vrolijk_21:  Did anyone watch the race, I did.

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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2021, 07:02:22 PM »

I watched it, very cool to see the baggers navigate a road course. Any word on what happened to the Indian? HD looked very strong from the beginning...
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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2021, 10:48:09 PM »

Link to the full race


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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2021, 01:50:30 AM »

That is fun to watch Phil.  The race at Laguna Seca last year had a top speed of almost 130.  At Atlanta they hit over 144 in practice if I remember correctly.  Never heard speeds called out in this race but I still twitched a little just thinking about holding a Road Glide in that lean and feeling all the movement those bikes showed.  It's a weird thing to see but I get a kick out of watching.  They're running really short saddlebags; and still scraping them.  Yeah, a little poo comes out just thinking about it!

One thing I'd not picked up on before this broadcast was the weight limit in their rules package.  625 pounds. I checked the curb weight on a 2020 model and they report in varying from the middle 800s to well over 900 pounds.  My old 2000 had a stock dry weight of almost 800.   While those bikes are 1950s station wagons compared to what those riders are used to racing that's a lot of weight to shed.  Losing a 100 pounds would be easy.  200 to 300?  That's a lot to engineer away.
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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2021, 06:58:12 AM »

 This bagger race was thought up by drag specialties and who better to benefit from selling aftermarket performance parts. The rules for the bikes starting out was within reason of me understanding, everyone started with a factory bike with some limited modifications allowed. The Indian shined in this format. Now enter the HD factory race team and their sponsorship. This last race blew me away at the way they performed on the Road America track.  It was a two man race until Indian had to exit the track for technical problems. There was 15sec between 1st and 2nd place in the end, both HD factory team bikes.

 The HD factory race team and to their credit has built one fine machine, and a good rider to boot. They have proved their point and now they’re the one to beat. I’m curious to see what happens next race and next year with this series. I wish I saw this effort in their production bikes.  :drink:

I attended a local bike nite recently and was surprised to see a couple of performance baggers built to resemble these road racing bikes, I personally knew one of the owners and he rides like a lil girl, not sure why it offended him when I told him this.  :nixweiss:

One more note, Kyle Wyman crashed in a race later in the day on his Ducati and broke his arm that’s gonna require surgery and he may not make the next race in July at Laguna Seca. I truly wish him well and hope he can make it.

I'm still picking Indian/O'Hara at Laguna Seca for the win.  :orange:
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2021, 04:37:22 PM »

I watched it, very cool to see the baggers navigate a road course. Any word on what happened to the Indian? HD looked very strong from the beginning...
All that’s been reported was mechanical issues, nothing more detailed.  Seems the HD is progressively finding more power from race to race.  Interesting competition, IM seems to have the advantage in braking and cornering, while the HDs make up for that on the straightaways. 
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2021, 09:39:18 AM »

Thanks for posting the info.  Fun to watch!
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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2021, 09:20:29 PM »

Travis Wyman rode the Trask turbo bike in the inaugural event last year at Laguna Seca, I thought he'd be a blocker for his brother Kyle when HD signed him on but he can't keep up the pace, maybe he'll settle in after some more seat time.

Kyle may not make it next month because of his injury, surely he won't mount up if not 100%. I truly wish him well.

Does HD has a provisional pilot or Wyman racing??

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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2021, 05:58:00 AM »

 According to what the announcers said they were running a top speed around 160. As Phil said in a conversation we had prior to the race the longer straights really benefited the HD, while shorter tracks seem to favor O'Hara. I hate to hear Wyman broke his arm, and would bet that O'Hara takes the next one.

I really wish this format would take off, it's exciting to watch.
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« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2021, 06:44:04 AM »

According to what the announcers said they were running a top speed around 160. As Phil said in a conversation we had prior to the race the longer straights really benefited the HD, while shorter tracks seem to favor O'Hara. I hate to hear Wyman broke his arm, and would bet that O'Hara takes the next one.

I really wish this format would take off, it's exciting to watch.

I'll bet you, I'm drawing up a draft of the stipulations and will email a copy to you.  :pineapple:
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« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2021, 12:07:44 PM »

Send it on, sender man. How about a sammich?
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2021, 12:30:28 PM »

Based on the stipulations I figure I will take a bet as long as I get the S&S Indian. Heck I might go buy a challenger and paint it like O’Hara’s bike. I’d still ride like a little girl but I would look cool.
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2021, 01:01:42 PM »

Send it on, sender man. How about a sammich?

 I’m gonna overnight you some tacos  :drink:

Based on the stipulations I figure I will take a bet as long as I get the S&S Indian. Heck I might go buy a challenger and paint it like O’Hara’s bike. I’d still ride like a little girl but I would look cool.

I got this picture on my bedroom door, I'm jealous of his talent, I signed up for his fan club, since we picking the same rider the above is coming yer way.

Is there any takers on the SE race team?



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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2021, 07:26:47 AM »

The Bagger Racing league, Utah Motorsports Campus

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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2021, 11:57:56 AM »

These things are only a couple steps removed from racing a school bus; but they are way cool. 
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2021, 05:57:27 PM »

You ought to see some of the things folks will race down in the south, gives me a woody watching them,  :bananarock:

You ever see a lawn tractor power slide around a track? youwantto?
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2021, 07:39:00 PM »

You ought to see some of the things folks will race down in the south, gives me a woody watching them,  :bananarock:

You ever see a lawn tractor power slide around a track? youwantto?


Oh hell yeah; I've raced hopped up riding lawn mowers (and I cheated with NOS).  Before he passed my dad had one of those electric "mobility scooters."  Rolled the thing in the driveway several times.  And that was before we started swapping motors and playing with gearing in the damn thing.  If it rolls it's worth making go faster or trying to race it.  Hell, I've actually paid (not much, but I paid)to watch actual school bus races.  Was a freaking hoot! 

I'm addles and demented though.  So it's understandable.  Just to illustrate the truth of that when I was younger and did spend a little time at the track my favorite race to run was the figure 8.  End of the night when everything else was done (because if you ran the 8s first there'd be nothing for the other classes).  Swing to the left and swing to the left then close your eyes and punch it!  That was almost as much fun as the demolition derbies.
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Re: HD Factory race team
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2021, 08:10:09 AM »

Baggers Racing League held their inaugural race and results are 1st HD, 2nd Indian, 3rd HD, Don’t think HD SE team made it to Utah. Next race King of the Baggers final race this year at Laguna Seca, July 11th. All Kyle Wyman has to do is Finnish 6th and he will be crowned King of the Baggers.

Baggers Racing  League is keeping things tight, they’re promoting their pay per view on FITE TV.



https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/bagger-racing-league-barnes-wins-premier-bagger-gp-race-in-utah/
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2021, 06:48:28 PM »

King of the Baggers has been crowned, Kyle Wyman HD SE racing team. Hats off to the team, they earned it in this three race series.

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