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[Highjagger]

The european version will look like this : Pfrtgrtfferefrgrtgwtg  , What a mess !
How would you change and with which parts ?

[Hoist!]

The european version will look like this : Pfrtgrtfferefrgrtgwtg  , What a mess !
How would you change and with which parts ?

Eek! That is a mess! Prolly not the solution you're looking for, but put a US Version rear fender on it, and strip that down like others have here!

Hoist!

[miker]

Gaaaa!  Get a us fender, french in the lp...

[Fired00d]

Here's a side by side of International vs US models...



Only difference I see is the brake light above the license plate (and exhaust but most take care of that anyway). Would it be easier to remove the light (if law allows/you can get away with it) and just have the holes filled in/painted. Unless you're trying to do something totally custom I think that would be your easiest solution.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Hoist!]

Here's a side by side of International vs US models...



Only difference I see is the light of the license plate (and exhaust but most take care of that anyway). Would it be easier to remove the light (if law allows/you can get away with it) and just have the holes filled in/painted. Unless you're trying to do something totally custom I think that would be your easiest solution.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Light of the licence plate? It's got a whole standard tail light assembly the US one doesn't have, along with the licence plate light. And filling the holes and refinishing, requires pulling the fender and repainting anyway. I'd order a new US version painted rear fender using someone heres VIN, before tearing up the stock "legal European" fender.

Hoist!

[Fired00d]

Light of the licence plate? It's got a whole standard tail light assembly the US one doesn't have, along with the licence plate light. And filling the holes and refinishing, requires pulling the fender and repainting anyway. I'd order a new US version painted rear fender using someone heres VIN, before tearing up the stock "legal European" fender.

Hoist!

I meant the brake light above the license plate (hate when work gets in the way of posting ). Ordering a new painted rear fender may be VIN protected, and since his will have a International VIN it might not be possible to get the US version (especially if it's going to be shipped overseas). It was only a suggestion like yours.... trying to give him different ways to "skin the cat".

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Hoist!]

I meant the brake light above the license plate (hate when work gets in the way of posting ). Ordering a new painted rear fender may be VIN protected, and since his will have a International VIN it might not be possible to get the US version (especially if it's going to be shipped overseas). It was only a suggestion like yours.... trying to give him different ways to "skin the cat".

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

I get it Gary! We all know that there's more than 1 way to skin a cat though. He might need to retain that stock fender design for some reason (resale in Europe, getting tickets there, ...?). So getting another clean one would still give him options. And I gave him the solution for getting one in the last post!

Hoist!

[Highjagger]

The problem is , that we have to have a centered brake-rear-light.
So my idea goes into the direction to put on another smaller rear-brake-light including light for license-plate and license-plate-holder at the lower area of the fender ( just where your`s us-license-plate-light and license-plate is ) .
 But what to do with the huge hole ( everybody knows that there are not only two small holes for the screws ) in the fender from the huge ugly stock european fuc..... taillight . Damn , holy cow , what did they do with this great looking fat ass just for fullfilling this european chitty standard . UAUAHUAHUAHUAH BRRRRRR GRUMBLE 

[GregKhougaz]

Highjagger, 

          Here's $.02:  Start with removing the small reflector above the chrome license plate hood / light.  That will unclutter things a bit and only requires that you remove the plate frame and two screws behind it.  Then I would get a smoked lens for the center, rectangular light to make it match the other two.  While not ideal, it won't cost much and should look a lot better until you decide what to do.   

Ideally, I'd remove the center light alltogether (of course) and find a way to rewire the led lights to comply with your German requirements.       Maybe you could find a way to incorporate it into the plate hood.  Good luck!   

[Highjagger]

I am thinking of such a kind of solution :

[Gone Fishin']

The european version will look like this : Pfrtgrtfferefrgrtgwtg  , What a mess !
How would you change and with which parts ?

I fact you have not many options. The wonderful full size German license plate can only be mounted where the provision is already, and It will look really sweet. For anyone outside of the country, typical size of the license plate is 21 x 22 cm or more than 8 by 8 inches!. I guess it will even cover some part of the turn signals, right? The rear light can be changed to LED and you can probably select white, which goes better with orange than red (have you ordered orange?).
You are not the only one disappointed: I just found out that on E-Glides the new mounting system of the tour pack does not allow a single line license plate anymore, so the back of the '09 SEUC will have also a huge license plate mounted below the rear light, which I am changing to LED grey (to match the silver). Brrrrrrrrrrrr.

[Highjagger]

I will get ( as godfather will ) a stardustsilver/titaniumdust .
Here they only give you the 25 X 20 cm license-plate that means 10" X 8" - Nothing else - they are sooooo ..... ( i don`t say it ) .
white LED with the polished back-plate for the license-plate mounted at the top of the ugly taillight and hoping that it is not more than 8" to cover all holes below .Hmmmm .

  And another 249 Euros are gone . 

[GregKhougaz]

So much for German engineering!!  I may have to sell the Porsche!  Sorry guys.  I know it's frustrating! 

                        
 

[Weasels]

The European version will look like this : Pfrtgrtfferefrgrtgwtg  , What a mess !
How would you change and with which parts ?

Canadian models look the same. I bought a smoked lay down tail light lens of of Ebay for a streetglide, that way it does not have the clear spot for the plate light cost about $20.00, I don't have it on yet nor have I picked up my bike. Going to the shop on Monday and will put it on and take pictures, will post next week.

[Highjagger]

Is this ugly stock light with a bulb or with LED ?
Black lens on clear bulb does not shine red , is there a red bulb available anywhere ?

[Weasels]

Is this ugly stock light with a bulb or with LED ?
Black lens on clear bulb does not shine red , is there a red bulb available anywhere ?

Look in Ebay some of the lenses come with a red LED bulb

http://cgi.ebay.ca/LAYDOWN-TAILLIGHT-SMOKE-LENS-W-OUT-LIGHT-4-HARLEY_W0QQitemZ110311167466QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item110311167466&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

[Highjagger]

Then you know definitely that it is a LED tail light ?
Just change the bulb and the lense and everything is ok .

[ice6900]

kuryakyn also do smoked rear led rear lamp, have a look online

[Highjagger]

Yes i know that there are , but the stock tail light is with a bulb , on the h-d internetsite they speak only of the control LEDs and new : the license light is LED , but not the rear-light or the break-light .
It was just an idea to change the lens of the stock red tail-light , but when you do need the complete tail-light as a LED version in black then it is not really a alternative because this rear-light is as expensive as the one i posted within the license-plate-backplate , but not so cool looking .

[Hoist!]

I am thinking of such a kind of solution :

Is that a license plate frame under the tail light? Looks like an LCD panel so you can keep up with this place on the road!

Actually, for your gigantic 2-line German tags, that's the nicest solution shown here yet!

Hoist!

[Highjagger]

Yes you got it , i also think that this is the best , but where to mount ?
at the bottom then you have a huge hole from the tail-light at the top .
at the top then you have the holes below not covered .
All chit . 

[Hoist!]

Yes you got it , i also think that this is the best , but where to mount ?
at the bottom then you have a huge hole from the tail-light at the top .
at the top then you have the holes below not covered .
All chit . 

Still like the "get the US version w/someone here's VIN and keep the orig for future" option. Clean and easy. Just rig up whatever legal lighting you need after.

Hoist!

[Highjagger]

Yes that would be the best look but what would be the price .
You need the original US fender from one withe a vin , i guess $ 1000
and the shipping to germany and no scratches - hmmmmmm .
What do you guess what would be the price for the fender ?

[Hoist!]

Yes that would be the best look but what would be the price .
You need the original US fender from one withe a vin , i guess $ 1000
and the shipping to germany and no scratches - hmmmmmm .
What do you guess what would be the price for the fender ?

No clue on that. Maybe someone with a US SERG3 and a SERG3 Parts Manual can look up the P/N and check the pricing w/Jenni!

Hoist!

[Gone Fishin']

Still like the "get the US version w/someone here's VIN and keep the orig for future" option. Clean and easy. Just rig up whatever legal lighting you need after.

Hoist!

Getting the fender painted to cover the holes would not be an issue.  He'd still have a huge license plate anyway!

Ride safely,
Louis

[screem]

Charmin always works on my "fat ass"

[REGGAB]

Why is the left muffler opening smaller than the right?  Is that only on HDI bikes or are US bikes the same way?

[gordy]

This is what I did to my Canadian edition.  If you are changing the fender to the US version don't forget to change the signals also.  (Go from yellow to red)  There is also a wiring harness necessary.  I priced the modification before I bought the kuryakyn led light and it was over 1K  OUCH  As Bribe says "I can't see the lite when I am riding anyway"  and  more lights to notify the cagers the better. 

[Weasels]

This is what I did to my Canadian edition.  If you are changing the fender to the US version don't forget to change the signals also.  (Go from yellow to red)  There is also a wiring harness necessary.  I priced the modification before I bought the kuryakyn led light and it was over 1K  OUCH  As Bribe says "I can't see the lite when I am riding anyway"  and  more lights to notify the cagers the better. 

I was going to change the signals to the US version so I would have smoked signals as well, what was the cost.

[bribe36]

As all the international versions suffer from the same problem I'm thinking it's just a mater of time before someone comes up with a solution(replacement light . Changing the fender, adding the new light, changing the turn signal and rewiring as required could be big bucks. I'm opting to wait it out a while and see what comes on the market. I Gordy's light, cheap and quick fix, for the short term.

[Highjagger]

This is what I did to my Canadian edition.  If you are changing the fender to the US version don't forget to change the signals also.  (Go from yellow to red)  There is also a wiring harness necessary.  I priced the modification before I bought the kuryakyn led light and it was over 1K  OUCH  As Bribe says "I can't see the lite when I am riding anyway"  and  more lights to notify the cagers the better. 

This looks very good to me , i am getting used to this idea .
So your stock rear-light wasn`t a LED , it was a red lens with a clear bulb ?
And your stock turn-signals have been LED with black lens and yellow LEDs ?

[Gone Fishin']

This is what I did to my Canadian edition.  If you are changing the fender to the US version don't forget to change the signals also.  (Go from yellow to red)  There is also a wiring harness necessary.  I priced the modification before I bought the kuryakyn led light and it was over 1K  OUCH  As Bribe says "I can't see the lite when I am riding anyway"  and  more lights to notify the cagers the better. 

There is quite a mixup in the suggestions posted, not only on this one.
- The Canadian version looks the same as the other HDI versions, however Canadian license plates are the almost same as U.S.
- Replacing the fender with U.S. parts just to avoid any holes where the original rear light was mounted is overkill. One can get the fender painted for a fraction of the cost.
- German license plates are huge. And this, regarding to the original question of the "clean fat ass" the main obstacle, not the color of the turn signals.
- Turn signals in Europe are mostly yellow, no need to find red LED's for them.
- LED's can be bought for the rear light from H-D. They are the same size as the lamps with bulbs, however.
- The rear lights can be had in red, clear, grey, always with LED's to match and get the same (red) result.
- Moving the license plate higher is an option, however we need to see it on the actual bike, not on a regular Touring bike.
- We do not know yet (at least I don't) if the SERG appear in Europe with separate lights for the illumination of the license plate and the rear light. Usually that is combined.
- An option would be to install a license plate illumination using a tiny LED. Or forgo it completely, as I have done.
- The rear light can be changed into a small LED light, which can be integrated into the fender (not mounted on the surface). That would be the cleanest look, requires painting of the fender, however.

Ride safely,
Louis

[ice6900]

German license plates are huge. And this, regarding to the original question of the "clean fat ass" the main obstacle!

i guess u will have to wait till ur baby arrives, so u can offer up the huge license plate to decide on the best position to mount it, if u remove the european brake light to install the license plate holder with intergrated rear light u can fill the holes with lil chrome plugs or colour match the plugs as a temporary/permanent solution till ur sure which way to go!

What happens when its time for periodic TUV prufung, would u have to put the EU brake light back on or is that time to trade in the bike?

[Highjagger]

The best : wait till the bike is here and look for a solution or cheap : forget it ( like Louis wrote ) ,
Yes , haha , making mods like a devil and before 2 years have gone trade it because of the TÜV , Muhuhuhahha .

[Highwaystar]

Less is best. Kuryakyn Wrap around Plate frame and smoked lay-ed back tail lamp. It's all how you accessorize.

[Highjagger]

Finally i changed it to this version , not perfect but acceptable , maybe the winter brings a better idea :

[NVWLDTHG]

No clue on that. Maybe someone with a US SERG3 and a SERG3 Parts Manual can look up the P/N and check the pricing w/Jenni!

Hoist!

FYI,

Domestic Rear Fender Silver 59669-09CZB
HDI Rear Fender Silver 59670-09CZB

ZANOTTIMOTOR price lists both at $480.48 USD plus S&H

[Highjagger]

thx for the numbers , will keep them in my mind .