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[ultrafxr]

I have attached the bulletin with the stage 1 download part number for the 96 inch engine.  Just trying to help.

I recall this bulletin.  But I do not think it is a 'stage 1' download but rather an enhancement to the stock configuration to correct a problem that the  moco discovered.  Nothing to do with performance imo.

[grc]

There were street legal calibration downloads available, with the operative words being street legal.  The ones listed for the 1800 engines (110 for you non-metric folks) are in fact the stock CVO calibrations, since the CVO's are stage 1 automatically.  If you look closely at the 1584 (96) and 1690 (103) entries you will see stage 1 calibrations listed for those street legal upgrades H-D sells, the air cleaner upgrade and then the full 1690 (103) street legal kit.  So yes, there still are a very limited number of "downloads" available without the SERT.  However, these downloads don't do diddly squat for the lousy running and high temps in closed loop mode.  The reason is very simple; these are street legal calibrations, which mean they meet EPA requirements just like the original calibrations.  That means you still get the 14.7 to 1 AFR under most riding conditions.  The new calibrations just change the base fuel settings in the map based on the new air flow so nothing will be too lean in open loop mode.

I stick by my first post; the tech that claims downloading a stage 1 map but not installing the high flow air cleaner will somehow make the bike run better and cooler is peddling BS.  It is more likely that the bike will be too rich at WOT since the map adds fuel but there is no added air to go with it.  Stock Harley maps are not dangerously lean at high rpms and WOT, no matter what some may think.  Emissions aren't tested under those conditions, and Harley makes sure they have a safe AFR at WOT to protect the engine (warranty costs are already high, they don't want them going any higher).

George, you will be doing yourself and your pocketbook a big favor if you forget that dealership and seek out a good tuner in your area.  Tell him what you want to accomplish and what mods you intend, both immediately and any future plans, and get his recommendations for a tuning device.  

Jerry

[Midnight Rider]

harley does still offer the download.  in '07 on my friend, a service manager's bike, he did the air cleaner and backing plate, and se pipes and a download.  the thing went from not running well, to really going down the road quickly both accelerating and at a high speed cruise.  I know for a fact they had it in '07, so check your facts before you say they don't have it anymore...or at least get the year correct

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, as Steve Martin would say.  I should have been more specific in my comments, and I could be mistaken, but prior to the '07 model year, I know for a FACT that the downloads to the ECM for the SE A/C, and aftermarket exhaust, which included the SE slip on mufflers (which is exactly what I had on my 06 SEUC from day one), was a "race only" download, meaning that it did not meet EPA guidelines.  Again, I could be misremembering, as I am an old fart who has murdered many brain cells in my day.  With the introduction of the 110 motor (and the 96) the ECM had "closed loop" with the O2 sensors being an additional component of steady throttle running (like cruising down the highway) in order to meet the lean EPA requirements for the '07 and later model years.

HD, in their infinite wisdom, basically stuck a product out on the market in '07 which had a myriad of issues, and the "download" you are speaking of was their attempt to get the motors to quit self destructing during consumer Beta testing.  It is ONLY a "street legal" download, as Jerry mentions, and as the documentation itself states.  Further, it is my opinion they did this "torque smoothing" download to keep from warping and generally f'ing up the cheap Chinese crankshafts they started using in that same time period.  My earlier statement should have said "there are no longer any "race only" downloads available, UNLESS you purchase the $450 SERT and either take your chances with one of the "canned" maps that comes with the SERT, or have the bike put on a dyno and properly tuned".
Most of these crank issues have been resolved, from my reading, as have the leaking heads, etc, but the '07's had a LOT of issues when released.  If you want your bike to run at it's best, get a tuning device of your choice and have a COMPETENT tuner put the bike on a dyno.  I"m not sure the word competent and dealer tech should be used in the same sentence, but if you have a good person at your dealership, more power to you (no pun intended).

[Twolanerider]

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me,

Hi TC.  What's up?  Any excitement with the photo-web-work?

[Midnight Rider]

Hi TC.  What's up?  Any excitement with the photo-web-work?

Lots of hits, but nobody is buying anything.  Not the best economic conditions to be selling fine art prints.  Google Analytics is a good tool to see what's happening wth a website.  It's starting to get noticed though...just takes a while.  Starting to get hooked up with a few artsy/fartsy types here in B'ham, so eventually I think it will do OK.  Meanwhile, the pennies are about to run out, so I may drag out the HVAC tools shortly and go that route.  Working on machines is a good thing sometimes...they don't talk back (at least not in English), they generally will not stab you in the back, and have no political agenda.    With DDC and PLC experience, it won't take me long to get back into the swing of that trade.  HRM jobs are scarce, and the ones out there seem to be hiring somebody other than 57 year old men...go figure 

[Twolanerider]

 somebody other than 57 year old men...go figure 

I thought Diva kept you 29 ?

[Midnight Rider]

I thought Diva kept you 29 ?

She tries, and does a good job, but like the song says "you know, that you're over the hill, when you mind makes a promise that you're body can't fill" "Old Folks Boogie" by Lowell George/Little Feat   

[georgw221]

Thanks for all the good info,,,please let me know what you think about this setup?

Supertrapp Fatshots-slipons with SE/AIRCLEANER and tuning with a Terry Terminal 3.

The Terry Terminal 3 has wide band O2 sensors ,,which i am told will open my 96" up   

[OILCAN1]

Budddy of mine has an 07 street glide with the stock 96 after alot of bitchin to the dealer he gotr them to download a 110 map into his bike. WALA it runs like a raped snake. Can I tell you specifics about AFR and all that-no, but the bike runs damn good for a stock 96 that's all I can say.

[Midnight Rider]

Thanks for all the good info,,,please let me know what you think about this setup?

Supertrapp Fatshots-slipons with SE/AIRCLEANER and tuning with a Terry Terminal 3.

The Terry Terminal 3 has wide band O2 sensors ,,which i am told will open my 96" up   

The Supertrapp mufflers have always received good reports from those that have used them...the discs make them adjustable for performance/sound.  I'm sorry to say that I don't know anything about the Terry Systems....seems I remember Chief (Chuck) using the Terry system on his '07, but I think he was using something other than the 3 version, as it was not out at the time.  He used their data logger in conjunction with either a SERT or a PCIII to make changes to the A/F tables...but this was in open loop mode at all times.  No O2 sensors at all.  Looking at the literature for the Terry 3 system, it still meets CARB requirements, which means it will still have the bike running lean in closed loop mode.  There are others on here who are better able to address the products available for the newer systems.  HD-dude would be one very reliable source of information, and if you live anywhere near Northern California he would be the person I'd let work on my bike.

[Unbalanced]

I have not heard anything good of the Terry components tuning device.   Personally I would not use it as a tuning device for my own bike as I would rather stay with main stream tuning devices that were previously mentioned.   Although the advice given so far has been right on target.     

If you are trying to keep the project in a budget you might consider a catless header pipe, send your mufflers to Fullsac have him recore them for you and put in his map that he has already made and go enjoy the ride.    It is one of the most cost effect ways you can go and let the engine breath a bit better.

If that does not appeal to you then you might want to go pick out the parts you want on the bike aircleaner, mufflers, pipes and ask a competent tuner of your choosing what tuning device they prefer and head down that street.   

On my 09 I have the fullsacs 2" cores with catless header and a custom dyno map using TTS.   Bike runs great is not hot like it was and has enough sound to tour with. 

TC,

Disclaimer is if my memory serves me, but I thought Chief was using the Wego in conjunction with a power commander as well as an excel spreadsheet that he wrote.   

[Midnight Rider]

I have not heard anything good of the Terry components tuning device.   Personally I would not use it as a tuning device for my own bike as I would rather stay with main stream tuning devices that were previously mentioned.   Although the advice given so far has been right on target.     

If you are trying to keep the project in a budget you might consider a catless header pipe, send your mufflers to Fullsac have him recore them for you and put in his map that he has already made and go enjoy the ride.    It is one of the most cost effect ways you can go and let the engine breath a bit better.

If that does not appeal to you then you might want to go pick out the parts you want on the bike aircleaner, mufflers, pipes and ask a competent tuner of your choosing what tuning device they prefer and head down that street.   

On my 09 I have the fullsacs 2" cores with catless header and a custom dyno map using TTS.   Bike runs great is not hot like it was and has enough sound to tour with. 

TC,

Disclaimer is if my memory serves me, but I thought Chief was using the Wego in conjunction with a power commander as well as an excel spreadsheet that he wrote.   

You are correct, Harry.  If it was me, I'd go with the TTS.