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Re: Fuelmoto FLH E-series pipes
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2014, 12:53:56 PM »

Thank you sir.
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Re: Fuelmoto FLH E-series pipes
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2014, 01:41:00 PM »


The Fuel Moto E-Series is an evolved version of my original design.  Incorporating a vast amount of changes to improve on the function and performance aspects of the design.


Is kbryant Kerry?  If so, hello, we actually met once, briefly, quite a long time ago. A tuner from the Midwest named John Golden was friends with some of your employer and he made a brief introduction.  I don't even remember where it was.  Likely wouldn't remember any of it were it not for the association with the E Series mufflers.  I had them on a Road King at the time.  John liked them a lot too.  John made a comment about always being able to tell if a bike with E Series mufflers had been tuned because you'd find the hole drilled in the middle for the sniffer.

Just one of those odd things one remembers.

If you can and are willing share more on this evolved version of the mufflers?  I always liked them for being something that could be used on true duals without losing the bottom end as much as with others in their day.  Also liked the sound and look.  But they were the best performing muffler when used with true duals on a bagger that I knew of.  How does this new iteration compare with what came before?
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Re: Fuelmoto FLH E-series pipes
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2014, 02:44:14 PM »

Steve, my intention is to simply clarify your incorrect statement; not to spar with you or "talk in circles".  I will attempt to clarify it further for you; 

1.  The "Moco" statement is simply reference to my working with them.  They "took" nothing.  It was an absolute pleasure and honor to work with them.

2.  I assigned the patent to White Brothers (D424492), as is common practice to do so when the inventor works for a company.  Issued 05/09/00.  It was a 14 year patent.  Not all patents are for "20 years".  There are 14, 17, 20.  The patent for the SuperTrapp is over.  The patent for the E-Series is over.

The rest of your opinions are simply that; opinions.  No point in trying to debate that, as of course you are entitled to do so.

I was unaware that both of Supertrapp's patents had run out. I did a quick search on the net and it still shows one as valid. I knew that the Mag group held the White Brothers patent as well but had thought it was the 20 year version. Supertrapp had the oval and round version of the patent and White Brothers the elliptical version of the patent. So if they have all run out I guess we will see many others, now doing it.

Opinions are not fact and the testing that was done was a fact, not an opinion. Good luck on the quest
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Re: Fuelmoto FLH E-series pipes
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2014, 03:30:45 PM »

Is kbryant Kerry?  If so, hello, we actually met once, briefly, quite a long time ago. A tuner from the Midwest named John Golden was friends with some of your employer and he made a brief introduction.  I don't even remember where it was.  Likely wouldn't remember any of it were it not for the association with the E Series mufflers.  I had them on a Road King at the time.  John liked them a lot too.  John made a comment about always being able to tell if a bike with E Series mufflers had been tuned because you'd find the hole drilled in the middle for the sniffer.

Just one of those odd things one remembers.

If you can and are willing share more on this evolved version of the mufflers?  I always liked them for being something that could be used on true duals without losing the bottom end as much as with others in their day.  Also liked the sound and look.  But they were the best performing muffler when used with true duals on a bagger that I knew of.  How does this new iteration compare with what came before?

10-4, that's me.  John Golden is great guy and good people.  Definitely made an impact with the original E-Series.  Very similar to the contributions of Jerry Branch, Joe Minton and Mert Lawwill with the original SuperTrapp H-D lines that we developed back in the early 80's.  All good people.

When Fuel Moto graciously included us in the venture of bringing back the E-Series with new knowledge gained over the years through trial/error on the street, track, R&D room; endless dyno testing, flow bench testing, prototyping, tooling design, CAD design, etc.;  both companies were all in.  This was a very intense R&D program to bring back an improved version of the E-Series that would work best with todays motors and FI.  I mean back then, we were dealing with 40 hp 883's and the nastiest "street" motors we were dealing with was Merch and making maybe 130 on a really good day.  Back then you'd have to slap on a Mountain Motor Core, a ton of discs, and open end cap to get the flow required and of course motors making that kind of power was not very common-place.  Now-a-days, 115 - 130 hp + motors are pretty common place and we wanted to keep that in mind (as much as working with stock and/or lower hp motors as well).   We looked at the ease of adjustment, tolerances, and reliability of adjusting/changing the disc stack; maintaining shape and perfecting flow transition from the inner core -to body cap - to discs.  We looked at increasing flow, while still maintaining velocity, within the required disc spacing.  We wanted more performance and a wider band of tuning, while utilizing less discs and not requiring an "open" end cap.  We incorporated an adjustable "blank" disc that allows you to simply move its placement within the disc pack for tuning within the same overall number of discs provided; such as dual systems whereby you may benefit from increasing flow to the right side muffler and lessening flow to the left side muffler.  This also allows more convenient changes to be made for throttle response, power band, sound levels, a/f curves.  We changed all internal components to stainless steel (obviously the entire end cap assembly/hardware are all stainless steel as well).  In total, we made close to twenty changes/revisions to my original design.  All these aspects must be coupled with well thought out companion parts of the overall exhaust system design as well.  The new Fuel Moto E-Series incorporates all the things we have learned and thoroughly tested since the original model, along with a great support program.  If you liked and/or knew about them back then, you'll love the new version now.   
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Re: Fuelmoto FLH E-series pipes
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2014, 04:30:56 PM »

bottom line, i loved my white bros e-series 2:1 exhaust...thank you for your contribution to the hobby...i will be purchasing the new ones for my 14 cvo limited...
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Re: Fuelmoto FLH E-series pipes
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2014, 05:02:59 PM »


10-4, that's me.  John Golden is great guy and good people.  Definitely made an impact with the original E-Series.  Very similar to the contributions of Jerry Branch, Joe Minton and Mert Lawwill with the original SuperTrapp H-D lines that we developed back in the early 80's.  All good people.


Have to mark this up to another of those "small world" moments.  Thanks for history and the description an evolution that inspires some optimism when considering new exhaust.

John had some heart problems a few years ago and came off the road.  Sold the mobile dyno.  I still see him around town occasionally though.  Last time I did he was doing well.

Really pleased to read of the resurrection and evolution of the E Series mufflers.  Will definitely follow the product and keep up with the Fuel Moto website for more info.  Thanks.
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Re: Fuelmoto FLH E-series pipes
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2014, 05:10:53 PM »

bottom line, i loved my white bros e-series 2:1 exhaust...thank you for your contribution to the hobby...i will be purchasing the new ones for my 14 cvo limited...

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