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Re: Throttle sensitivity.
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2012, 02:12:32 PM »

Jerry...that old thread I pointed to has a table with the stock ECM throttle response settings, if it's still accurate (that thread was '09, I think).  My Word Doc attachment has a graphical representation of the table...I will try and do a print screen of the actual table later today.  I'm a dummy on the print screen function for some reason...
No need to do a print screen.  You can print from Mastertune.  Fire up Mastertune, load the map file and select the Throttle Blade Table.  Then go to File and from the drop down menu you can print all tables or just the active table.   :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Throttle sensitivity.
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2012, 06:22:48 PM »

Duh...

Here it is...
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Re: Throttle sensitivity.
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2012, 07:47:55 AM »

Here is the closest map for our bikes from the maps provided by TTS.  Compared to the map you posted there is significant throttle lag at lower rpm.  Your's is 1:1 all the way.  Wonder what the stock moco map is.  Makes me think it may be greater than 1:1.   :nixweiss:
I know you can (and should) save the stock map before programming the ECM.  But I don't think there is any way to view the stock map.

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Re: Throttle sensitivity.
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2012, 01:38:51 PM »

The Map in my bike was sent to me a week or so ago by Steve George.  The table I posted is from that map.  It is one to one, but acts like a cable, which is what I'm more used to.  My hand is "calibrated" for it, I guess.  I hated the lag in the stock ECM map...it just didn't feel right to me.  It's a MT8 file, where I was running a MT7 file.

That old thread I pointed to shows the stock HD throttle setup.

You are correct...you can't see the original ECM file.
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Re: Throttle sensitivity.
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2012, 06:35:03 PM »

Seems to me something changed from my '11 RUSE to m '12 CUSE7.  I had absolutely no complaint or problem with the stock map on my RUSE.  But the CUSE7 is oh so sensitive - just the opposite of a lag, it is way, way too responsive to the slightest input.  Roll off the throttle and the engine braking is very noticeable - much more so than on my RUSE or my '07 CUSE2 which has throttle cables.  On anything other than a silky smooth road it is darn near impossible to maintain a smooth steady throttle on the '12.  Very disconcerting when in a curve as a slight throttle input is very noticeable and can upset your path of travel.
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Re: Throttle sensitivity.
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2012, 11:33:03 AM »

Jerry...did they even discuss reflashing your ECM just to see if that would help?  Do any other people you know with '12 bikes have this same issue?  JR?  I know he's running Fullsac stuff, so I'm assuming he did the TTS as well, but wonder if he had the same issue prior to...
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Re: Throttle sensitivity.
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2012, 03:52:13 PM »

Do any other people you know with '12 bikes have this same issue? 

Mine was horrible from the demo, adding the pipes/headers with the shop tune, all the way up until I had my dyno/tune done.  I felt like I was on a bucking bronco at low speeds.
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Re: Throttle sensitivity.
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2012, 05:24:24 PM »


If it's too jerky when you roll off the throttle, it could be the decel enleanment settings and not the throttle response curve.  When you back out of the throttle the ECM reduces fuel to reduce emissions, and if that part of the calibration was overbaked by the boys in Milwaukee it could lead to an abrupt deceleration.  Just a thought.


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