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Re: Exhaust for power, sound, looks
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2012, 12:46:42 AM »

Just ordered VH true duals and CFR muffs and will get them put on next week with power commander and then dyno to finish up. After looking on other forums with people who like the CFR muffs they say this is the best setup. We shall see. I'll post when I get the results. All I know is anything done to the exhaust over stock has got to add more. My bike is a dog with this 110 it's so restrickted from the moco
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Re: Exhaust for power, sound, looks
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2012, 11:13:40 AM »

Btw, like I always say, I think exhaust is the least of what prevents you from hearing your stereo on the freeway- wind management/wind noise is the number one factor, IMO.
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Re: Exhaust for power, sound, looks
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2012, 12:26:36 PM »

Btw, like I always say, I think exhaust is the least of what prevents you from hearing your stereo on the freeway- wind management/wind noise is the number one factor, IMO.

i agree about exhaust noise versus wind noice, I am just as interested in getting as much power from the mod as sound and not taking away from looks but enhancing.
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Re: Exhaust for power, sound, looks
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2012, 03:38:28 PM »

I have a update on my Jackpot/Fuelmoto exhaust. I wrote my immediate feelings after my install and wasn't as pleased with the tone as I am now. I lost what I mentioned earlier as a raspy tone out of the box, I think it has a deep tone now with a mellow idle. This is a "X" pipe that is smooth sounding. On a wrap of the throttle it gets noisy and scares dogs when they decide to chase, my brother said it scared a dog so bad it stopped dead in his tracks. I am very happy with the looks, fit, sound, and had many compliments this past weekend on a Boobs support, cancer run. I chose the carbon fiber ring in the tips which match the dash on the CVO nicely.   Ride on!
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Re: Exhaust for power, sound, looks
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2012, 04:15:22 PM »

I recently put V&H Dresser Duals and Rineharts on my 103. It was loud until I got used to it but I don't consider it too loud now. The only issue I have is surging and popping around 2000 rpm. I've been told that the straight headers combined with the Rineharts doesn't keep sufficient back pressure. But all that is tuning related. I love the sound of this set up and I have no problem hearing the tunes either.
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Re: Exhaust for power, sound, looks
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2012, 05:12:33 PM »

One thing I have learned when it comes to Sound, Power and looks.....their is not any easy answers.
I have also been hearing good things about Bub 7S exhaust. Any input from anyone?
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Re: Exhaust for power, sound, looks
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2012, 05:16:32 PM »

IMO, heres the deal:  If you like the look of the stock header and muffler combination, then there is no question that the Fullsac Stage 1 with the 2" cores is the way to go.  The 2" cores will give you slightly more power than the 1.75 or 2.25...note the word slightly.  The loudness factor is subjective...totally.  The 2" cores are plenty loud for me...in fact, I'd probably like the 1.75's just fine.  The Fullsac system just happens to be the least expensive way as well, but it's not CHEAP by any means.  Steve works hard to earn trust on many of the HD forums, and he makes a really good product, with excellent support.  He has also worked very hard on his canned tunes for that setup, and it will be so close to right that you may not even need to bother with a tuning session elsewhere.  Mine runs fine with the canned map.  It might run slightly better with a $250 tune, but I'm happy.

Typical numbers for the Fullsac system are going to be 92-96HP and 108-112 TQ.  Different Dynos will give different numbers, but an honest set of numbers is probably 94/110.  You can hear the stereo at cruising speeds.

If you don't like the looks of the stock system, all bets are off.  A two into one pipe will generally give the best absolute numbers, if that's what's important to you.  I personally think a dresser looks weird with one mufflers under the bags, but that's just me, and you can always get a ghost pipe.  In MOST cases, a true dual header will not give as much TQ down where you ride, but of course, there are exceptions (though none come to mind).So you can spend around $1100 and do the Fullsac, TTS, and cores of your choice.  That's if you put them on yourself and can operate a laptop and a Dremel tool.  Or, you can spend more and get mufflers and headers that you like the sound/looks of more.  I wouldn't give you $.10 for the difference in seat of the pants performance between any of your choices.  If you can actually feel 2-3 ft lbs of TQ when riding, I'm not going to dispute your perceptions.  What I think is felt is WHERE the TQ comes in...down low where you actually ride a touring bike, or up higher if you wind it up all the time.  I personally could GAS what the bike does above 4500 RPM...not that I never go there, but just that I don't go there enough to give up the low end, which is typically the case.  If you street race your bike, then obviously you have different needs.  The only way to know for sure what will look and sound best for you is to actually look and hear each one on a 110 CVO bike.  Everything else is a best guess, or someone's opinion...this is mine.
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Re: Exhaust for power, sound, looks
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2012, 05:25:47 PM »

IMO, heres the deal:  If you like the look of the stock header and muffler combination, then there is no question that the Fullsac Stage 1 with the 2" cores is the way to go.  The 2" cores will give you slightly more power than the 1.75 or 2.25...note the word slightly.  The loudness factor is subjective...totally.  The 2" cores are plenty loud for me...in fact, I'd probably like the 1.75's just fine.  The Fullsac system just happens to be the least expensive way as well, but it's not CHEAP by any means.  Steve works hard to earn trust on many of the HD forums, and he makes a really good product, with excellent support.  He has also worked very hard on his canned tunes for that setup, and it will be so close to right that you may not even need to bother with a tuning session elsewhere.  Mine runs fine with the canned map.  It might run slightly better with a $250 tune, but I'm happy.

Typical numbers for the Fullsac system are going to be 92-96HP and 108-112 TQ.  Different Dynos will give different numbers, but an honest set of numbers is probably 94/110.  You can hear the stereo at cruising speeds.

If you don't like the looks of the stock system, all bets are off.  A two into one pipe will generally give the best absolute numbers, if that's what's important to you.  I personally think a dresser looks weird with one mufflers under the bags, but that's just me, and you can always get a ghost pipe.  In MOST cases, a true dual header will not give as much TQ down where you ride, but of course, there are exceptions (though none come to mind).So you can spend around $1100 and do the Fullsac, TTS, and cores of your choice.  That's if you put them on yourself and can operate a laptop and a Dremel tool.  Or, you can spend more and get mufflers and headers that you like the sound/looks of more.  I wouldn't give you $.10 for the difference in seat of the pants performance between any of your choices.  If you can actually feel 2-3 ft lbs of TQ when riding, I'm not going to dispute your perceptions.  What I think is felt is WHERE the TQ comes in...down low where you actually ride a touring bike, or up higher if you wind it up all the time.  I personally could GAS what the bike does above 4500 RPM...not that I never go there, but just that I don't go there enough to give up the low end, which is typically the case.  If you street race your bike, then obviously you have different needs.  The only way to know for sure what will look and sound best for you is to actually look and hear each one on a 110 CVO bike.  Everything else is a best guess, or someone's opinion...this is mine.

Well put brother. I got caught up in the whole "gotta have this and that" circle. I like the setup I have but I feel that I did sacrifice some low end torque in doing so. But that's why everything is bolted on right? If you don't like what you have grab a wrench and a beer and change it. There's too many options out there and they're all subjective.
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Re: Exhaust for power, sound, looks
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2012, 12:24:39 AM »

Well put midnight......still want as much power down low as possible. Considering the cams now to break over that 100hp mark and 115tq or better.
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