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mattman22033

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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2012, 04:28:06 PM »

If you can get a whole new bike...great....will that actually happen....slim chance.

Let the dealer rebuild the whole bike on new frame....maybe

Leave bike as is and try to get a free 7 year ESP.

What you have is not that bad. Wait until you scuff a saddlebag or get a stone chip...then you can cry for 10 minutes and then keep riding. If you ride enough miles you will eventually get some cosmetic damage. Hence why I buy my CVOs used.
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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2012, 05:28:25 PM »

If MoCo will not give you a replacement bike I would not do it. Way too many things to go wrong mechanically and that's not even considering the numerous scratches you will get on everything else.

BUT and this is a big BUT. But I would ask the dealer to ask MoCo to give you a CASH refund on the cost of the new frame, shipping and the dealer labor to disassemble and re-assemble an entire motorcycle. That number, at dealer labor rates, could easily reach $7,000!

For $7,000 CASH in my pocket I could live with a spotted frame!

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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2012, 05:57:17 PM »

We whine and bitch about all the things the MoCo and many of the dealerships don't do that they should, or do badly that they could do better.  Hate to think about how much some klink at the MoCo whines and bitches about all of us asking for, or even considering, chit they're never close to being obligated for.
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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2012, 06:58:00 PM »

We whine and bitch about all the things the MoCo and many of the dealerships don't do that they should, or do badly that they could do better.  Hate to think about how much some klink at the MoCo whines and bitches about all of us asking for, or even considering, chit they're never close to being obligated for.
Not to jack the thread or any disrespect to Twolanerider's opinion!
My opinion is that; it's the customer that's paying the note and MoCo which is reaping the profit. 

They're not doing anything they're not obligated to do and quite often less in the case of the known (for years) bagger wobble, etc.  They have made their fortunes on customer loyalty and if they want to maintain that loyalty in this competitive market as they have for the past 110 years, they must tighten up their quality control over their product, especially their flagship CVO.

It seems as if these problems are becoming more frequent, because they sell so many more motorcycles.  If a customer pays top dollar for their bike, they should get a top shelf product.  They should send it back to MoCo and let the person's who assembled it explain to the "Klink" why they find it acceptable.   OK, I'm off my soap box! :soapbox:
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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2012, 08:00:32 PM »

Not to jack the thread or any disrespect to Twolanerider's opinion!
My opinion is that; it's the customer that's paying the note and MoCo which is reaping the profit. 

They're not doing anything they're not obligated to do and quite often less in the case of the known (for years) bagger wobble, etc.  They have made their fortunes on customer loyalty and if they want to maintain that loyalty in this competitive market as they have for the past 110 years, they must tighten up their quality control over their product, especially their flagship CVO.

It seems as if these problems are becoming more frequent, because they sell so many more motorcycles.  If a customer pays top dollar for their bike, they should get a top shelf product.  They should send it back to MoCo and let the person's who assembled it explain to the "Klink" why they find it acceptable.   OK, I'm off my soap box! :soapbox:


Don't worry King.  No feelings hurt.  It's all curb racing.  As much as I can't stand how the MoCo's SOP is to disregard and attempt to deflect so so often, and how much they deserve our disdain and distrust as a result, I still sometimes see us go too far also.  Not just with the MoCo but with many companies.  The bigger they are the worse it can be.

We're all big boys and girls.  In this case we know there's a delivery inspection.  We know we're signing off on cosmetics.  We know it's up to us to cover our own asses.  As riders more so than anyone else on the road.  No one looks out for us more or better than we should for ourselves.

So when something is well beyond warranty and we whine anyway, hoping to score, or when we missed something we should've caught and take a shot later; well.... maybe taking the shot is ok.  But we know we're asking for something above and beyond what we're obligated to get.  So ask, maybe they'll pony up as a gesture to a good customer.  If so, great.  But if not don't whine at the company like some little kid who isn't allowed to ride his tricycle.

Thinking that, in an example above, the MoCo or the dealer should actually consider one of us asking them for thousands of dollars in cash for the privilege of not working on that bike is silly.  The whole thing, new bikes, cash, whatever, was all moot from the beginning though.  A new frame off a service request had already been approved.  Rest of it is just a bunch of us standing and facing the wind with our zippers down because, apparently, we like the shower and the feel of the breeze.

We're riders dammit.  The best we can hope for, what we always used to aspire most, was just to be left alone.  Whining for freebies from "the man" because we feel slighted isn't just not being left alone; it's a little embarassing.  Or at least it is to me.  But hey, if someone else can score more power to you.  I won't stand close by as you're begging.  But I'll share the beers after. :drink:
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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2012, 08:01:49 PM »

FYI for anyone wanting to know if a frame has been replaced on a bike, here is how you can tell, look for the Union sticker on the down tube. They will not put it on a replacement frame (because it will not be assembled by a union worker). And you can not buy it!! I am a union Pipefitter and when I crashed a 2002 Ultra classic I had at the time (Black ice on the way to "Toys for tots") they had to replace the frame and I wanted to have the union sticker put back on, H-D basically told me you're SOL!!! Just a little info.
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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2012, 09:37:25 PM »

"It's all curb racing"  Twolanerider, I like that afterall we are just spectators on this thread.  I also would gladly buy a beer for anyone on this site :drink: 

I always tell myself "It's yours now!" whenever I buy a new car or bike, meaning I should have done my homework and paid close attention & inspection of what I was buying.

I think we both feel, nonetheless Moco needs to make it right when they f'd up.  How they make it right, has many varied opinions! ;D

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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2012, 10:16:17 PM »

"It's all curb racing"  Twolanerider, I like that afterall we are just spectators on this thread.  I also would gladly buy a beer for anyone on this site :drink: 

I always tell myself "It's yours now!" whenever I buy a new car or bike, meaning I should have done my homework and paid close attention & inspection of what I was buying.

I think we both feel, nonetheless Moco needs to make it right when they f'd up.  How they make it right, has many varied opinions! ;D



Amen to that brother.

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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2012, 06:51:55 AM »

I for one would let them do the frame replacement! I do not beleive you will get them to replace the whole bike, it's not gonna happen.
Typically, rust forms around areas of un-removed / uncleaned slag, it will rust under the paint that's pretty much a given. You are going to see it everytime you go out to start the bike. And, what about when your ready to sell it, even if it doesn't rust potential buyers might see this right away where you didn't see it till later. If it does rust, everywhere you have the slag showing now is going to be magnified by the swelling of the rust or popped / chipped paint. If you go to trade and a dealer see's this, they will not be considerate of mother harleys poor job and will low ball your trade big time (worst than usual, lol)
I would have the dealer write a full report explaining the frame change, the reasons why and that it is fully covered under warranty. This should allow the bike to be sold in the future without worry that it was wrecked.
I would inform the dealer that any scratches, marred nuts and bolts etc... etc... etc... will not be acceptable and you will not take delivery unless it's in the same brand new condition as it should have been when delivered.
Just my 2c.
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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2012, 07:16:44 AM »

The Moco replaced the frame in my 08 SERK due to alignment problems, it started the biggest nightmare I've dealt with in years!  Your correct, they touch everything.  When I returned to the Reno Nv dealer inquiring about missing item they when in the back and brought out a bag of items they had left off, looking through the items I noticed one windshield isolator mount was missing, they replied I could buy one at the parts counter.  Try to get them to replace your bike!
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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2012, 09:54:31 PM »

any good paint shop can spot that in will you will never see it...  way better than changing frame.
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Re: New frame dilemma
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2012, 10:28:43 PM »

any good paint shop can spot that in will you will never see it...  way better than changing frame.

Interesting option!  I like it! :2vrolijk_21:  Not my call, but I like it! ;)
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