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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2015, 07:18:35 AM »

a mild 124" is defanatly the way to go,we do a lot of them (my personal bike is 124",VTR 110 heads,10.0-1,.570 cams 58mm t.body,123/134)

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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2015, 09:34:17 AM »

Client from San Jose had us build a 117"/10.0 cr/Wood 6/Supertrapp/Our Stage IV Heads/54mm, in his Dyna, tuned by Bob Lobenburg @ RC Cycles, Hayward, CA..............124/136, sae.
120 ft/lbs from just about 2300 all the way to about 5200.
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2015, 05:36:48 PM »

Any recommendations for or against the complete T124 motor swap? The dealer/service manager i visited with over the weekend was not very knowledgeable of the 124 of any verity. I am considering just doing a complete motor swap and rebuilding the SE103 as cash permits back to stock again (other than tensioner parts). better to go with the T124LC due to the verity of fuel grades that may be available i would assume??  Can it be ordered with certain cams that would be better for my application than others? If this is a decent way to go its gonna happen in the next couple weeks.  I am looking to you guys for sound advice here as you all have given me the same basic advice so far. I went from looking into a 110/117 straight to the 124 and the wife is for it!!!!!!!!  that never happens!!
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2015, 07:26:13 PM »

I've done 5 of the crates since around the first week of December and I have 2 I'm doing right now. The LC version suites the need of 90% of the guys out there. They are available in two forms. The LC which is 10.2:1 and 585 cams or the HC which is 10.8:1 and 640 cams. Both pretty low on compression dynamically. PM sent.
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2015, 07:44:54 PM »

I just wrapped up a HI comp one a couple weeks ago.  Runs good.  1 year warranty, turned out real nice. I really like the T2 cases other than the external oil lines.
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2015, 10:23:35 PM »

these external oil lines..  can the cases be drilled to hook up like the se motor? and if thay are external, how to they connect to the existing connections?
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2015, 12:16:20 AM »

Icy,

If you buy a crate motor and drill the oil passages as I understand it, this would void the warranty on the motor from S&S.   There are some shops that do it and then the warranty on the motor is through them not through S&S.   I wouldn't go external myself, but that is up to each person to decide.   What year bike are you putting the motor in again.   The late models 07 up can still get the motors with the SE Cases.   might be another option to consider.
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2015, 07:15:58 AM »

its an 06 and the warranty is the main reason for considering the crate motor in the first place. so does that mean that i have to do something else to be able to hook those lines up??  im assuming they cant go where the stock lines were without voiding warranty.
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2015, 07:54:04 AM »

In order to get around the HD Patten s&s changed the oil lines. Instead of running them through the back of the engine block into the front of the  the come out of the bottom of the engine block and ruin then externally around the oil pan in then in between the inner primary and tyranny case. You drill and tap 2 holes in the tranny case right behind the drive pulley. I did a write up about it on my shop Facebook page (with pictures) if any o need is interested.https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=283743361812997&view=page&ref=bookmark

It's in my photo album under124" build.

There are companies that will machine the cases to use the stock oil system but you would want to gut the cases to do it. On a crate build its just not worth it IMO
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2015, 04:07:00 PM »

its an 06 and the warranty is the main reason for considering the crate motor in the first place. so does that mean that i have to do something else to be able to hook those lines up??  im assuming they cant go where the stock lines were without voiding warranty.

I'd call and ask S&S directly, they are great, easy to talk to, know their $hit...
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2015, 11:34:38 PM »

Being a 2006, the oil lines you currently have are external and so will the S&S crate motor. It was never an option to have internal oil lines on 2006 models. Also there is no drilling or tapping required on the S&S crate motor for 2006 models. It is a very simple installation and no machining of any kind whatsoever is required. If you can change your plugs and wires you can install the oil line kit on the 2006 and earlier models. All that's required is removing the drain plug from the oil pan, the allen bolt right next to the oil drain plug from the pan and there is an Allen bolt that screws a small block that two fittings screw into on the bottom side of the case behind the flywheel compartment and then just slipping the two hoses on and putting the hose clamps on them. People freak out over the external oil lines on the 07 later applications. It does not apply to you since yours is earlier than 2007. I don't understand what all the fuss about the external lines on the 07 later motors is about. Harley's have had external oil lines for years. All the way up until 2007 in fact and I don't recall ever reading a single post where it's cause any problems but for whatever it's worth, the 07 later S&S cases that so require the external oil line kit where the SE cases did/do not, the S&S cases are WAY beefier and would be my choice between the two if you really wanted to push the envelope of what one of these motors are capable of and as of last week, I was told there were only two sets of SE cases left and when those were gone there would be no more made with SE cases. Far as I'm aware of, the 2006 earlier S&S 124's were never available with anything but S&S cases and again, I've never heard of a failure yet even on early bikes that never had internal oil lines failing because of an external line problem. I'm sure it's happened but how many pre 2007 bikes are out there and how many miles have been logged vs how many you've seen or heard of failing?? Classic example of the Internet making a mountain out of a mole hill IMO. 
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2015, 01:09:21 AM »

Thanks for that information. Had i waited until tonight i would have answered my own question since we got that far in the removal of the old motor tonight. In looking at removing the actual motor it looks like it should come out the left side of the bike. Its getting closer to being time to buy parts!!  Still kills me that i could put 2 motors in my pickup for what its gonna cost me, but i guess that pickup doesn't say HD on it either..  LOL
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2015, 06:50:28 AM »

does the rear tire still have to come off to remove the oil pan after the motor is out? im not close enough to the bike to right now. trying to gather another hand to wrestle the motor out tonight...
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2015, 03:35:33 PM »

does the rear tire still have to come off to remove the oil pan after the motor is out? im not close enough to the bike to right now. trying to gather another hand to wrestle the motor out tonight...

No, you can slide the pan forward.
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Re: se103 to 110/113???
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2015, 03:49:54 PM »

well good news..  parts and motor are ordered. gonna be a T124lc going back in. hope to have it in a couple weeks now. got out for a ride on the 90 egc the last couple days to help clear the head. that WAS supposed to be the bike getting motor work this year but gonna have to wait again for that one.. cant wait till this one is back together. time to go for a ride!!!
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