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[skippy]

I am new to this site so please excuse my lack of knowledgeon the new CVO 110 I have been rideing Harleys for 18 years  and have owned almost every model produced but I am bumbfuzled over this new motor. Just today I was told by a 25 year experienced tech and well known local motor tuner that if something is not done to this motor to help get the temp down we will see motors loosing valve seals then locking up. He told me about a recall to help with the leaning out of EFI but also thinks their are other issues...  I am getting nervious on this one  whats up with this HOT CVO  skippy

[jeffj]

Relax and enjoy it - you have a 2 year warranty

[JR]

First off warm welcome to this site skippy! There have been some talk about heat on the 110 engines. Some of those who have em will be able to speak up about the issue and what is being done! You have come to the right place for information about your special scooter. Pull up a chair and enjoy the wealth of information in this site. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] When you get a chance we would love to see some pictures of your scooter. Again, welcome and God Bless!

                                                                           JR [smiley=banana.gif]

[hd-dude]

Welcome to the site!

Your tech may be right on this. I was talking to a very good and reputlable tuner today and he told me that the 07 110's are running between 14.5 and 15 AFR from 0 to 40% throttle (which is where you ride most of the time) and that they are setup that way due to EPA requirements. This is dangerously lean and the reason for the excess heat. I can't see the MOCO kepping these this way and expecting to get any life out of these motors. On the other hand I would bet that upwards of 90% of owners will change the exhaust and add a fuel management device thus solving the problem for them. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

[Twolanerider]

On the other hand I would bet that upwards of 90% of owners will change the exhaust and add a fuel management device thus solving the problem for them. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Jim, all of our experience here to the contrary I seriously doubt the number is anywhere near that high.  Even among the OCD infected group group of people that populate this zoo we've got more than 1 in 10 that have pretty well left things along (based on how many stock pipes seen on relatively new bikes at CC or MV).  Among the more general population I'd bet not even half actually do the changes that are so common here.  Granted, those are the most common changes.  But that 90% do them is unlikely.  And we've certainly already read here of 07s engines eating themselves.  So there very likely is a real concern here too.  Getting these changes done and done early may actually be a very very big deal for the 110 guys.

[twincam]

welcome to the site, you will find good info here!!!!!!!!

[jeffj]

Jim, all of our experience here to the contrary I seriously doubt the number is anywhere near that high.  Even among the OCD infected group group of people that populate this zoo we've got more than 1 in 10 that have pretty well left things along (based on how many stock pipes seen on relatively new bikes at CC or MV).  Among the more general population I'd bet not even half actually do the changes that are so common here.  Granted, those are the most common changes.  But that 90% do them is unlikely.  And we've certainly already read here of 07s engines eating themselves.  So there very likely is a real concern here too.  Getting these changes done and done early may actually be a very very big deal for the 110 guys.

Both of you guys are somewhat correct  
Jim, lives in CA and 9 out of 10 owners change the exhaust ASAP ....lol even Jap bike owners do
But here in the Midwest I go along with Don and say at best it's 50/50 on owners changing exhaust

jeffj

[altugo]

Jim, all of our experience here to the contrary I seriously doubt the number is anywhere near that high.  [highlight][/highlight]Even among the OCD infected group group of people that populate this zoo we've got more than 1 in 10 that have pretty well left things along[highlight][/highlight] (based on how many stock pipes seen on relatively new bikes at CC or MV).  Among the more general population I'd bet not even half actually do the changes that are so common here.  Granted, those are the most common changes.  But that 90% do them is unlikely.  And we've certainly already read here of 07s engines eating themselves.  So there very likely is a real concern here too.  Getting these changes done and done early may actually be a very very big deal for the 110 guys.

I cant belive this!!!!In this group?? NOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAYYYYYY [smiley=drink.gif]

[cigarmike]

I met a guy in Pleasanton yesterday with an '07 B/O, I Gave him a card for this website, and hopefully he joins us, anyway, he lives in Arizona, and has 14k on his bike already, he also is on his 2nd engine replacement...........he changed out exhaust etc. at 1k. I didnt think to ask about the warranty, and if there were any issues with mods etc. But he said that the bike was hot before the mods, and its still hot now, but not as bad, he had 1 engine relaced @1300 miles, and the other one @ 9k. He said he doesnt care as long as they kep replacing the engine,. and 'Yes' he did buy the extended warranty.

  

[Twolanerider]

I met a guy in Pleasanton yesterday with an '07 B/O, I Gave him a card for this website, and hopefully he joins us, anyway, he lives in Arizona, and has 14k on his bike already, he also is on his 2nd engine replacement...........he changed out exhaust etc. at 1k. I didnt think to ask about the warranty, and if there were any issues with mods etc. But he said that the bike was hot before the mods, and its still hot now, but not as bad, he had 1 engine relaced @1300 miles, and the other one @ 9k. He said he doesnt care as long as they kep replacing the engine,. and 'Yes' he did buy the extended warranty.

  

From the population here we seem to know of four or five dead engines now.  With witness accounts of that many others.  This is likely far more of an issue than perhaps we'd realized.  I'm liking the red bike better and better all the time.

[JCZ]

Has anybody wrote letters to the MC magazines like we did back in 04 and 05 about this issue?  Get the magazines involved in this so that the word gets out, as to the problem and the soulution.  I believe that American Rider magazine has been the most favorable to this site......shoot Buzz a kite.

[Midnight Rider]

Funny/odd thing I saw at my local dealer today...The had a bunch of PCIII's hanging on the wall behind the parts counter, and a big sign with 20% off the PC, Stage I, and DYNO tune with their new, state of the art dyno set up for the PCIII.  Seems they are encouraging people to do the PCIII thing....hmmmmm

[VAZHOG]

Has anybody wrote letters to the MC magazines like we did back in 04 and 05 about this issue?  Get the magazines involved in this so that the word gets out, as to the problem and the soulution.  I believe that American Rider magazine has been the most favorable to this site......shoot Buzz a kite.

Magazines? I dropped them when I stopped the paperboy from bringing yesterdays news-paper [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

Bettter to (Hand)write a letter (if you can still find the suff or remember the skill involved) That show you really care because if you are analog enough to get the magzine then they what to keep you as a reader. [smiley=soapbox.gif]

[CVOMOE!!]

Bummer about the new 110.  It does seem to be quite a problem that needs to be addressed.  I'm sure the MOCO will have a fix for it soon as I'm sure they don't want to be replacing all of those engines.  Good idea to get the extended warranty for the '07's so it would seem. Perhaps the new pipes, air, and a good tune may solve the problem but I doubt it.

Good Luck, Moe

[Ted Severns]

I was running at 270 to 275 degrees.  May sound strange, but shanging to Amsoil, I dropped to 235/240.