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[JamesT]

I had to order my true duals and a programer after it almost seized up the other day, stuck in a 3 mile backup on the highway. It was pre-detonating so bad I thought it was done. I finally drove down the emergency lane, pulled off at the first exit and rest it at the first gas station I found.
Hopefully, the true duals will get the heat away faster and the tuner will let me richen it up a bit, to cool it.

Dang, not even summer yet. I thought it was running warm during the winter, heck, I didn't even have to wear chaps. (I got it in November).

Anyway, I ordered the Bassani 11315's and a Power Commander V, based on my mechanics recommendations. I'll stick with my Reinhart tips, for now.
Not money I wanted to spend but, it ought to run better and sound better (than the 2-1-2).

Trying to figure out; my mechanic said, it has catalytic pipes; I thought those were only on CA editions of the '09's CVO's?

We don't have bike emission testing in AZ anymore, so cats don't matter and neither will the programmer, as far as registration.

[JCZ]

Do yourself a favor....cancel that order.  Order the Fullsac X pipe, stainless steel and ceramic coated, choose the baffles of your choice and the tuner with the Fullsac map.  I did this, this past weekend and I now have the coolest running bike I've owned since my last Evo.

Let me just say that I have no vested interest in Fullsac.....just a product that I feel passionate about and I'm not alone in that on this forum.

[North Star]

The 2009 SERG's all came with the cat in the pipe. The regular 2009 touring bikes did not have a cat, except for the Cali models.  Likely the same with your 2009 CUSE.

[North Star]

Do yourself a favor....cancel that order.  Order the Fullsac X pipe, stainless steel and ceramic coated, choose the baffles of your choice and the tuner with the Fullsac map.  I did this, this past weekend and I now have the coolest running bike I've owned since my last Evo.

Let me just say that I have no vested interest in Fullsac.....just a product that I feel passionate about and I'm not alone in that on this forum.

So as a long time member and Moderator, you only now did the Fullsac system? I gotta ask how come you didn't do it sooner.

[JamesT]

I asked for advice on the exhaust here, before I bought it. No one responded. 

As for an X pipe, I am trying to get some of the heat off the right side. The best way I know how to do this is, plumb it off to the left side. Maybe I am thinking about it wrong?

I am not versed enough on programmers to know the difference. The Power Commander V was recommended, it is $350 and it looks like it will do everything I need it to do, i.e., richen it up, program each cylinder individually (if needed), switch maps 'on the fly', change as the mods change. I don't know the difference though (?). Looks like PC has 2 canned maps that will work for my setup, and more with different mods.

Thanks,

[Rooster]

So as a long time member and Moderator, you only now did the Fullsac system? I gotta ask how come you didn't do it sooner.

JC just got his new bike and has been without one for some time.

[rheiner]

So as a long time member and Moderator, you only now did the Fullsac system? I gotta ask how come you didn't do it sooner.

There are potentially unlimited reasons why he didn't install his current exhaust sooner (which he owes no explanation to you or anyone else). He being a moderator and long time member does not in any way diminish the value of his hearty recommendation of his recent installation of the Fullsac system and TTS tuner.

[JamesT]

I looked at Fullsac's web page and compared the Power Commander V (from their web site); my non-technical mind can't see any difference except, it looks like you can reprogram the speedo with the Fullsac. In total, it looks like the Power Commander V has more options, if you need them but, the basic programmers look to do the same thing.

What am I missing?

[Jswerve]

I looked at Fullsac's web page and compared the Power Commander V (from their web site); my non-technical mind can't see any difference except, it looks like you can reprogram the speedo with the Fullsac. In total, it looks like the Power Commander V has more options, if you need them but, the basic programmers look to do the same thing.

What am I missing?

When did the power commander start coming with a headpipe, muffler cores, and proper tune to match the combo?

[JCZ]

So as a long time member and Moderator, you only now did the Fullsac system? I gotta ask how come you didn't do it sooner.

Valid question......and sorry I didn't catch it sooner but I just got back home.  I took my bike and trailer to the car wash and then just kind of rode all over San Diego....again, to see if it were going to heat up towing the trailer (normally, a bike will get much hotter towing, especially in stop and go traffic).  It just didn't happen.

To answer you question, I did run Fullsac sooner...a lot sooner.  You weren't a member here yet when I had the cat removed from the stock head pipe and 1.75 baffles put in ,2010 CVO Street Glide.  But it wasn't a simple "before and after" test as that bike had major motor work, cams, gaskets, the crank pinned & welded and balanced, etc.  So, while it run cooler than stock, it was still much hotter than this motor.

This motor (I just bought this bike and trailer x-mas week and had to wait for the holiday to take the time to run over to Ariz.) was completly stock before last weekend.  The only modification was the X pipe, baffles and tuner....nothing else.  So this was a true side by side comparison for the heat issue.  And, I got the new stainless steel ceramic coated X pipe (racers will tell you they're a cooler exhaust but I wasn't sure it would make a noticable difference on a street bike but I did it anyway). 

I've put this bike through the paces since I got this new system and I have to tell you that I believe it's the coolest running twin cam that I've owned.

Did you see my review in the Customer Svc. board?   http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=101223.0

[JCZ]

I asked for advice on the exhaust here, before I bought it. No one responded. 

As for an X pipe, I am trying to get some of the heat off the right side. The best way I know how to do this is, plumb it off to the left side. Maybe I am thinking about it wrong?

I am not versed enough on programmers to know the difference. The Power Commander V was recommended, it is $350 and it looks like it will do everything I need it to do, i.e., richen it up, program each cylinder individually (if needed), switch maps 'on the fly', change as the mods change. I don't know the difference though (?). Looks like PC has 2 canned maps that will work for my setup, and more with different mods.

Thanks,

If I'm understanding this correctly.....a tuner (any tuner) will not move heat from one side to the other.  That statement makes it abundently clear just how little you know about this exhaust/heat issue and tuning.  Not judging....just realizing that we can't assume you know or understand the basics of the exhuast system and tuning.

Basically, the freeer flowing the exhaust is (to a certain extent....some back pressure is necessary, but I'm just trying to keep this simple enough for you to get a handle on it) the cooler it will run.  The X pipe is already proven to add 8-10 hp and about 8-10 ft. lbs. of torque over the stock system when coupled with the Fullsac baffles (if you want peak performance, go with the 2.0 baffles but if you want an exhaust that's just a bit quieter, go with the 1.75 baffles).   Couple that with a ceramic coating (ceramic coating casts off less heat than the same exhaust that isn't ceramic coated) and you're running even cooler.

The tuner is to tune the motor so that it runs completly effiecnt and has the correct air/fuel mixture across the power band.  Anytime an internal combustion motor is running to lean it will overheat so it's important to make sure that it's tuned to run at it's coolest possible point (and thereby operate at optimal effiecency).

As for "advice" on exhaust systems, you can take a look here and then decide for yourself.  One thing that Fullsac offers is a complete package including the map for the tuner.  Take a look at the Customer Service board and read all the reviews/comments there and then decide....  http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?board=42.0

You'll also see my review/experience there.

I hope I've been able to explain some of this to where you can understand it a little easier and didn't add to your confusion.

[JamesT]

I now remember why I gave up on the people that frequent boards a while back. My bad for asking questions and coming back to 'boards'.

More than half the $hit posted regarding my original questions do pertain and the moderator can't even figure out the difference between a paragraph that is talking about pipes and one that is talking about a tuner. I should have just used a run-on sentence. 

Since you can't answer the damn question about what one tuner does better than the other; I am thinking 1) you don't know, and/or 2) there is no difference, and/or 3) you are talking out your a$$.

BTW - You can have back pressure on true duals, you don't need an X pipe. WTF do you think baffles do, besides lessen noise? And, it is funny that you list horse power gains, when none of the manufactures will guarantee that, you must know something they don't. What a smart a$$.
BBTW - Mr A$$, here is the post where I asked about the exhaust and no one responded:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=101115.0
and now you tell me to take the $hit back? Go F yourself.

[Jswerve]

Wow...

[JamesT]

And one thing:

Since "racers use ceramic coating on their pipes", your quote not mine; what the he11 form of racing are you watching that uses X pipes because they need back pressure to create HP?

[Rooster]

Relax Mr. Newbie. The strong language is not necessasary. If you get the chance attend one of the GTG's we have each year. You will find the people that participate the most on this site are very nice people and many we as well as others have made life long friends with. If you met JC you prolly would have a much different opinion. He is a great guy that was just trying to help as many of these members do.
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