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[fastfreddy]

snap  , , , cool down... no pun intended im sure your choice of exhaust/tuner will help with the heat issue your having, and will sound great. let me know 

[akodust]

I had to order my true duals and a programer after it almost seized up the other day, stuck in a 3 mile backup on the highway. It was pre-detonating so bad I thought it was done. I finally drove down the emergency lane, pulled off at the first exit and rest it at the first gas station I found.
Hopefully, the true duals will get the heat away faster and the tuner will let me richen it up a bit, to cool it.

Dang, not even summer yet. I thought it was running warm during the winter, heck, I didn't even have to wear chaps. (I got it in November).

Anyway, I ordered the Bassani 11315's and a Power Commander V, based on my mechanics recommendations. I'll stick with my Reinhart tips, for now.
Not money I wanted to spend but, it ought to run better and sound better (than the 2-1-2).

Trying to figure out; my mechanic said, it has catalytic pipes; I thought those were only on CA editions of the '09's CVO's?

We don't have bike emission testing in AZ anymore, so cats don't matter and neither will the programmer, as far as registration.

I got the same set up as you are talking about Bassani and PCV..The bike run great after I got the second Map from Full moto...Great product and company. I bought the PCV 5 years ago and they still sent me a map for my new bike. 

[JCZ]

"Hopefully, the true duals will get the heat away faster and the tuner will let me richen it up a bit, to cool it." and "Trying to figure out; my mechanic said, it has catalytic pipes; I thought those were only on CA editions of the '09's CVO's?" tells everybody that's reading it that your goal is to get the heat down and that you don't know much about your stock exhaust until your mechanic enlightened you.

If you'll re-read my first reply to you regarding getting rid of the heat you'll not see anything about me addressing true duals.  I suggested you cancel that order.  My comments/reply was addressing my experience with getting rid of the heat.  It was just a suggestion but you know better.....go for it.

It was another poster that challenged where you found a Power Comander on Fullsac, not I.  But point remains the same.

The only question you asked in that post that I responded to was a run on sentence "Trying to figure out; my mechanic said, it has catalytic pipes; I thought those were only on CA editions of the '09's CVO's?"  Since you're so upset that I didn't answer the question....you answer is no, it's not only 09 CVOs and not only on Ca editions.

I extracted the following quote from another run on sentence...."my non-technical mind can't see any difference except,".

I answered your only question.  And yes, you're right, there's a lot that I don't know and may never know.  What I do know is what I've experienced with the Fullsac options and the TTS tuner that I've optioned and I tried to share that with you.  I also know that when somebody's just trying to help me wether I like it or not I'm not going to show my ignorance by trying to insult them when that person knows more than I do abot the issue/topic.  Not sure why sharing my experience with Fullsac with you caused you to get twisted....and then accuse me of being an azz.

You seem awful defensive.  I never said anything about you asking about the exhaust and nobody responded.  Try not to take it so personal.....it's really not.  I can only guess at why nobody responded but my guess is everybody knows a simple search would have given you more information than you'd really want or need.

Yes, you can have back pressure with true duals however, that wasn't a conversation that I was a part of.  You can even get true duals tuned correctly and your bike will run cooler....but again, that wasn't a conversation that I was a part of.  Again, I was only sharing my experience with Fullsac.  You want true duals.....you want a Power Commander V.....that's what you should go with.

Uhhh racers do use ceramic coating....not a big secret.  "what the he11 form of racing are you watching that uses X pipes because they need back pressure to create HP?"  To answer your question.....I don't know any racers using an X pipe....that was your assumption, not mine.

Hey James.....you have a great evening sir.

[HOGMIKE]

How exciting!
watcing the rain come down near New Orleans,  I was looking for some stimulation and found it right here on cvoharley.com!!!

[2k]

I now remember why I gave up on the people that frequent boards a while back. My bad for asking questions and coming back to 'boards'.

More than half the $hit posted regarding my original questions do pertain and the moderator can't even figure out the difference between a paragraph that is talking about pipes and one that is talking about a tuner. I should have just used a run-on sentence. 

Since you can't answer the damn question about what one tuner does better than the other; I am thinking 1) you don't know, and/or 2) there is no difference, and/or 3) you are talking out your a$$.

BTW - You can have back pressure on true duals, you don't need an X pipe. WTF do you think baffles do, besides lessen noise? And, it is funny that you list horse power gains, when none of the manufactures will guarantee that, you must know something they don't. What a smart a$$.
BBTW - Mr A$$, here is the post where I asked about the exhaust and no one responded:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=101115.0
and now you tell me to take the $hit back? Go F yourself.

Good luck with the exhaust and tuner you choose. There are many ways to get the results you are looking for.......but with replies like this,  I fully understand why you don't like "boards"

[JamesT]

I just think it is crazy how these boards 'group think'. Damn, the new ideas or something that is 'out of the "norm"', they all think about the "box" they are in, be it sponsors or whatever.

If I can save a couple hundred dollars doing something a different way than everyone else with the same results, so be it and why not share it. (This from a government contrator, imagine that)
Call me a "newbie" if you want. It doesn't mean the ideas of combinations are "bad", and as a matter of fact, I haven't heard anything substantial that told me it was bad. I have just heard, this is the way "we" do it.
If I heard this when I heard this when I was designing MRAPs for Iraq, do you know how many soldiers we would have lost? Hint: IED's were not even thought of before Iraq part duo.


Still waiting for what makes the Fulsac programer better that PC-V and 'what form of racing uses X pipes to make more HP', last checked John Force's top fuel didn't have them nor did Jeff Gordan's NASCAR entry nor did anyone's Outlaw series car. I am sure if the X pipe made more horsepower one of the above would have tried to use it.

BTW - Have you ever heard of Global Warming?  How about the Ice Age that was predicted by scientists in the '70's?

Un-freakin-real....

[HOGMIKE]

I would suggest you do some research on what your goal is and available combos that actually show improvements either heat related, performance,  or any combo you are interested in.
Like mufflers,  there are many products looking for your $$$, some will work great depending on whatever trips your trigger.

Btw,  I'm unclear what you refer to "fulsac programmer"? Are you talking about the programmer who programs the ecm? Or the actual hardware/software sold by various companies?

Last I am aware of Steve at Fullsac likes to use the TTS by Mastertune to use on his systems because he likes the results and has happy customers!
I think I would run my business much the same: happy, repeat customers!
Other tuners like other products for much the same reasons I believe.

I have no vested interest in any company,  and use what suits me. I am satisfied with my decisions. I am a repeat customer with a few companies that have great products and customer support, but thats just me!

JMHO as usual.
Good luck in your search.

[FlaHeatWave]

Bassani & PC-V have a lot of satisfied customers.

[North Star]

There are potentially unlimited reasons why he didn't install his current exhaust sooner (which he owes no explanation to you or anyone else). He being a moderator and long time member does not in any way diminish the value of his hearty recommendation of his recent installation of the Fullsac system and TTS tuner.

Relax- I never said he OWES me an explanation, and never said his opinion has diminished value. JCZ wasn't offended at the simple question, don't know why you're getting all snarky.

[WJS]

Still waiting for what makes the Fulsac programer better that PC-V and 'what form of racing uses X pipes to make more HP', last checked John Force's top fuel didn't have them nor did Jeff Gordan's NASCAR entry nor did anyone's Outlaw series car. I am sure if the X pipe made more horsepower one of the above would have tried to use it. 

if you look close when those cars are sliding on their roof you may see a pipe like this. X pipes, merge collectors been around a long time.

 http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/muffler-nascar.jpg

[JCZ]

Still waiting for what makes the Fulsac programer better that PC-V and 'what form of racing uses X pipes to make more HP', last checked John Force's top fuel didn't have them nor did Jeff Gordan's NASCAR entry nor did anyone's Outlaw series car. I am sure if the X pipe made more horsepower one of the above would have tried to use it. 

if you look close when those cars are sliding on their roof you may see a pipe like this. X pipes, merge collectors been around a long time.

 http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/muffler-nascar.jpg

JamesT will have to answer these questions.  It's news to me that Fullsac has a progammer and after spending a couple of days with Steve George at Fullsac, he never once mentioned such a tuner.  Throughout our conversation it was always about his X pipe and his baffles and that he tunes with TTS tuner.  JamesT got this all really twisted.

Neither did I ever say that racers are using X pipe....JamesT made that comment.  I said that racers ceramic coat their exhausts to minamize the heat transfer.

Neither did I speak to "more horsepower".  If JamesT reads my review on Fullsac in the customer service board he'd see that I mentioned that I told Steve my goal wasn't peak performance numbers but instead, my goals were to get it to run as cool as possible and as quiet as possible and that's why I went with the 1.75 baffle instead of the 2.0.

JamesT is obviously confused and got it all twisted.  My comments and the points I made remain the same.....

Although it wasn't a point or a claim that I made, WJS just makes one more point that reflects JamesT's confusion about this whole topic.  JamesT educate yourself to ceramic coated exhausts (all exhausts, not just Fullsac) and to the X pipe.  Using your words, you have to think outside the box. 

[MightyTharg]

As somebody that knows not a lot, but has picked up a few things while huting for info when I bought my Street Glide I'll try to address a few of the points being bandied around - hopefully coming from a newbie they might clear up some stuff for you (apologies in advance to those who know more if any of this makes you wince):

Why ceramic coating & why do racers use it?:   because the heat is kept in the exhaust gas also moves faster and I guess the racer (or guys building the motor) this can (I guess) lead to improvements in exhaust gas scavenging (sucking the spent mixture out of the cylinder) thus also leading to ciooler temps and increased efficiency and therefore more power.  So the racers are after efficiency and power (good thing) but for us road users the means of getting there (reduced temps) is a big deal on a big air cooled twin.

Why some form of merged collectors/headers?:  now virtually all modern bikes I've ridden have merged headers, but as I understand it this is may have been tried first on big american V8 cars, merging pipes allows the power pulses from one cylinder to assist in exhaust scavenging on the other which (as I explained above) also helps reduce the temp in the cylinder.

Please note this is stuff I've picked up trawling boards like this and a couple of 5 minute conversations with a guy who builds car exhausts down the road from me. But this has been enough to persuade me that for my new bike I'd like to buy a merged 2-1 or 2-1-2 system, with sensibly placed 02 sensors, preferably ceramic coated and as I live in the UK it would be best to have it in Stainless Steel.

Next is personal preference - why not a Power Commander?:  because it's a piggyback system that stays plugged into the bike, so that's another component and set of connectors that need to endure heat/cold/rain/vibration. So I'd prefer one of the tuners that you only plug in to record data from or write new data to the bike's engine management system.  I've only used Harley's own SEPST to this point but am leaning towards the TTS now. If I wanted the dynojet product I'd buy the Power Vision

Cheers

 

       

[CVOStreetglide]

I now remember why I gave up on the people that frequent boards a while back. My bad for asking questions and coming back to 'boards'.

More than half the $hit posted regarding my original questions do pertain and the moderator can't even figure out the difference between a paragraph that is talking about pipes and one that is talking about a tuner. I should have just used a run-on sentence. 

Since you can't answer the damn question about what one tuner does better than the other; I am thinking 1) you don't know, and/or 2) there is no difference, and/or 3) you are talking out your a$$.

BTW - You can have back pressure on true duals, you don't need an X pipe. WTF do you think baffles do, besides lessen noise? And, it is funny that you list horse power gains, when none of the manufactures will guarantee that, you must know something they don't. What a smart a$$.
BBTW - Mr A$$, here is the post where I asked about the exhaust and no one responded:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=101115.0
and now you tell me to take the $hit back? Go F yourself.

As a new member here you sure have a short trigger and unfortunately don't really know JCZ OR Steve from Fullsac or you wouldn't have posted your rant.

JCZ was sincerely trying to help you and possibly because your exchange took place via text instead of face to face, you took what he said the absolute wrong way.

I am hoping you will realize this and post an apology.

Jerry

[JamesT]

Just FYI, for whoever posted above about NASCAR having X pipes: look at the rule book, they are illegal. Just FYI.

Anyway, just got my bike back home from the mechanic, after the install. Freakin unbelievable difference, like having a new bike. After 25 miles I let go at a stop light and the front wheel almost came off the ground. 65mph to 95mph is astonding, no more lag. Deceleration is great, much better than before. Overall, throttle response is 1000% better.
Today was a fairly cool day, so it was hard for me to judge the difference in heat. I know my right leg didn't get hotter than my left leg, which is a good start.
The sound is great. Loud when I get on it but, close to before while cruisen.

For $1100 out-the-door installed, I am beyond happy. Now if it takes care of my over heating issue, it will be perfect.

[HOGMIKE]

If you'd care to share details about your parts, install, tune, etc etc I'm sure some members would be interested.
If not, I understand because as you said "I am beyond happy" and isn't that all that really matters to you?