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CB question
« on: January 17, 2007, 03:09:11 PM »

As a new CBradio owner (getting my Jester next week! :D :D) I have a question.

For how long distanace will the CB radio reach?
1 kilometer? 5 kilometer?

Snurrebakken, Norway
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Re: CB question
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2007, 04:17:41 PM »

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As a new CBradio owner (getting my Jester next week! :D :D) I have a question.

For how long distanace will the CB radio reach?
1 kilometer? 5 kilometer?

Snurrebakken, Norway
That's a hard question to answer because there are so many variables when dealing with HF (which is the band that CB's use.)  HF propagates very well, which is why it's a good long haul frequency band to use.   Our FCC rules "limit" us to 122 miles (approx 220 km).  Now will you get that kind of distance out of your mobile CB?  Hardly, unless the atmospheric conditions are just right, and your antenna is tuned properly, etc...to make a long story short, you can expect normal communications up to around 6 miles (althought with the receiver sensitivity in the Harley CB, I'd question that) or 10 km.

Hope this helps...
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Re: CB question
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2007, 04:39:55 PM »

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Re: CB question
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2007, 09:14:07 PM »

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As a new CBradio owner (getting my Jester next week! :D :D) I have a question.

For how long distanace will the CB radio reach?
1 kilometer? 5 kilometer?

Snurrebakken, Norway

Half a mile to a mile in my experience of our European Harley CBs (I'm on my fourth Ultra). Say 1km to 1.5km.

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Re: CB question
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2007, 09:54:59 PM »

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Half a mile to a mile in my experience of our European Harley CBs (I'm on my fourth Ultra). Say 1km to 1.5km.

Jim
That's not good at all.  Could be the difference in the European spec radios?  [smiley=nixweiss.gif] With my new antennas, I know that I'm getting out at least 2 miles (3.3 km) with no problems.  And that was with my bike in the garage and my house sits down somewhat in a ravine.  I figure with these radios, that's about right...I don't understand why your distance has been so limited.  Obviously, it's not a single radio problem.  Interesting.
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Re: CB question
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2007, 10:31:53 PM »

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That's not good at all.  Could be the difference in the European spec radios?  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Don't forget that while the channel assignments are the same European CBs are FM while American assignments are AM.
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Re: CB question
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2007, 05:37:22 AM »

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That's not good at all.  Could be the difference in the European spec radios?  [smiley=nixweiss.gif] With my new antennas, I know that I'm getting out at least 2 miles (3.3 km) with no problems.  And that was with my bike in the garage and my house sits down somewhat in a ravine.  I figure with these radios, that's about right...I don't understand why your distance has been so limited.  Obviously, it's not a single radio problem.  Interesting.
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Could well be because we're on FM, Red - it's very much line of sight.

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Re: CB question
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2007, 06:37:26 AM »

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Don't forget that while the channel assignments are the same European CBs are FM while American assignments are AM.
Guess I won't be talking to many folks here in Europe with a US Spec SEUC
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Re: CB question
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2007, 06:50:28 AM »

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Guess I won't be talking to many folks here in Europe with a US Spec SEUC

Not many!  (Even assuming you're not in Osan, Korea, like it says...)  [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

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Re: CB question
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2007, 10:47:33 AM »

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Could well be because we're on FM, Red - it's very much line of sight.

Cheers,

Jim
I don't want to belabor this, but HF is HF, it propagates the same.  AM and FM are modulations schemes, and have no influence on the propagation characteristics, just the sound quality coming out of the receiver.  FM is less susceptible to noise than AM because the amplitude of the intelligence remains constant while the frequency varies, whereas in AM the amplitude varies while the frequency remains constant.  An HF FM radio will propagate the same as an HF AM radio, given everything, ie power, antenna, antenna height, etc, are equal.  
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Re: CB question
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2007, 11:25:57 AM »

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As a new CBradio owner (getting my Jester next week! :D :D) I have a question.

For how long distanace will the CB radio reach?
1 kilometer? 5 kilometer?

Snurrebakken, Norway


Welcome and your CB won't do  kilometer's only miles  [smiley=banana.gif] [smiley=apple.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]
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Re: CB question
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2007, 07:15:11 PM »

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I don't want to belabor this, but HF is HF, it propagates the same.  AM and FM are modulations schemes, and have no influence on the propagation characteristics, just the sound quality coming out of the receiver.  FM is less susceptible to noise than AM because the amplitude of the intelligence remains constant while the frequency varies, whereas in AM the amplitude varies while the frequency remains constant.  An HF FM radio will propagate the same as an HF AM radio, given everything, ie power, antenna, antenna height, etc, are equal.  
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that Red!  ;) Why in that case is there no FM skip? FM is also much more affected than AM by Multipaths if I remember correctly, and of course except in line of sight over flat country with no obstacles, Multipaths abound.

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Re: CB question
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2007, 06:20:28 AM »

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Not many!  (Even assuming you're not in Osan, Korea, like it says...)  [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

Jim


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I used to work in that area when I was a youngster.  Not far from SHAPE as I recall.   Pretty industrialised, but of course steeped in the history of the Great War, so lots to see and do.

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Re: CB question
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2007, 07:31:47 AM »

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We'll have to agree to disagree on that Red!  ;) Why in that case is there no FM skip? FM is also much more affected than AM by Multipaths if I remember correctly, and of course except in line of sight over flat country with no obstacles, Multipaths abound.

Jim

Jim,
It's not the modulation scheme that causes "skip".  That's propagation off of ionosphere which is caused by what frequency band you're in.  Depending on whether it's day or night, skip will be different.  HF is great at bouncing, of skipping, off of the ionosphere to give it distance and make it a good long-haul band.  The higher you go in frequency, the more likely it is to go through the ionoshphere and not bounce back to earth.  Typically, FM broadcasts are done in the VHF band, which does not skip well and is good for a more line-of-sight type reception only (typically out to about 40-50 miles).  Also, AM broadcasts are typically done in the MF band and although not as good as HF for skip, will skip more at night (when the e and f layer of the ionosphere merge), but typically follow the curve of the earth better.  Higher line of sight frequencies will multi-path or bounce off of buildings, causing delays in multiple signals to be recieved by the receiver.   Sometimes you'll get what seems like skip out of VHF and UHF, but what that is is called "ducting".  This is a phenomenum in the atmoshere that creates a virtual waveguide that the signal will travel in and causes it to travel extraordinary distances.  Down off the coast of Florida and in the Middle East ducting is fairly common and it it's not uncommon for you to hear a UHF channel travel 150 miles, when typically UHF is no more than, based on antenna height, 15-20 miles.
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