Had a Black-Jack (Went out of business), Bought a HD Brand on Craigslist, Bought a J&S on Craigslist, Bought a Pitbull from classifieds in local paper. Bought each for $150 or less. The HD was junk, that stupid screw up & down deal was a killer. ALL of the other ones were at least equal. They work great and I saw no fault with any of them. Kept the Pitbull because I see those guys at Daytona every spring and fall and figured if I needed anything I could pick it up there, and I did buy the turn-table, which is great, sit in one spot on a creeper seat and spin the bike to you. Sold the other three for enough to make Pitbull free, so all is good. If I had to keep one besides the Pitbull it would probably have been the J & S.