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[beefcake]

Been playing around with different options and pricing and the hp i want.

The s&s 143 seems like one of the baddest engines out there.

from a bolt in standpoint, i can't see why it wouldn't work.  i guess i'm wondering if there should be any issues from the tuning side of things.

anyone put a non w/c engine in a bike that came water cooled yet?

[Twolanerider]

All ECM parameters and coincident errors should make the dash and/or radio light up like a Christmas tree.

[beefcake]

All ECM parameters and coincident errors should make the dash and/or radio light up like a Christmas tree.

question is can you turn some of those things off.

i own a chassis dyno for cars and we do a lot of late model mustang tuning.  and we can turn off alot of codes / sensors in the tuning

i haven't seen anyone try this yet, to know for sure if it would work or not.  or how not having the cooling would effect the bike

[Twolanerider]

question is can you turn some of those things off.

i own a chassis dyno for cars and we do a lot of late model mustang tuning.  and we can turn off alot of codes / sensors in the tuning

i haven't seen anyone try this yet, to know for sure if it would work or not.  or how not having the cooling would effect the bike

Honestly no clue.  Hadn't read of anyone trying.  Obviously the air cooled engine that was originally intended to be run as an air cooled engine wouldn't have any issues simply because the water cooling wasn't added to it.  So the issue isn't with the new engine itself but the various management functions onboard the bike that are no longer doing what systems management expects them to.

At some level one might think that anyone software function could be switched off.  That end users would have access to to this level of the software is a separate question though.  And given Harley's sometime tenuous grasp on its own technology deployments it's never safe to assume a lot there anyway.

Short answer is "no clue."  We know there would be significant issues.  Haven't read yet of someone swapping an aftermarket or other air cooled replacement in to a water cooled bike yet so no even anecdotal stories on how the battle might have been found and either lost or won.

[beefcake]

yes, i'm going to talk to my guys at dynojet, and see if they can shed some light onto it for me

edit" one thing also, like with our mustang tuning, on the race cars we typically fill the block, so we run virtually no coolant, only in the heads, so we "fool" the temp on the bike, to think its 180 all the time

[HD Street Performance]

A set of water cooled heads could be fit to that motor but we are talking major work / $$
Not a recomendation

[beefcake]

you'd think now that the bikes have been out for 2 years or so, that someone would be doing something for them, outside of just redoing your own engine.

which i have no problem doing, but it seems somethlng like the 143 for the $$, will give you more for the same $$ as building yourself, and then you have the oem engine still

[HD Street Performance]

you'd think now that the bikes have been out for 2 years or so, that someone would be doing something for them, outside of just redoing your own engine.

which i have no problem doing, but it seems somethlng like the 143 for the $$, will give you more for the same $$ as building yourself, and then you have the oem engine still

A very stout motor can be built using the OEM water heads

[beefcake]

A very stout motor can be built using the OEM water heads

i'm looking at that, just trying to figure out the most cubes i can get out of it

[HD Street Performance]

124" with stock bolt pattern.

[Twolanerider]

you'd think now that the bikes have been out for 2 years or so, that someone would be doing something for them, outside of just redoing your own engine.

which i have no problem doing, but it seems somethlng like the 143 for the $$, will give you more for the same $$ as building yourself, and then you have the oem engine still

I've also wondered when the aftermarket would show up.  Whether it be the significant reliability of the Harley engine (pardon me for being away for a moment, had to climb back up after falling from my chair in uncontrollable laughter) or the Harley owner's general unwillingness to mess with things (ok, fell down again, my bad) it is has seemed the market just has not yet attracted the aftermarket.  My best guess was the overall number wet engines in the field just isn't a big enough target audience to make it a profitable venture yet for the aftermarket.

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

We have done 124 builds on the twin cooled using the CVO 110 head. That worked out like stock pretty much. But the twin cooled will open up a new market at some point.. Unless of course there is a patent on the water cooling passages    At some point I know that wil will see a new water cooled aftermarket engine as twin cooled will be across the board in the short term future .  Myself look forward to it, you can run more compression and make more power if we can keep the engine temp stable.. I would think that you will see larger  and higher efficiency aftermarket rad's in the new future as well, higher out put direct bolt on fans etc.. Nothing new under the sun there as the automotive world has already been there years ago .

[ltank]

That much HP/TQ the Drive Train will not hold up well. Compensator Motor Sprocket,  clutch, transmission and the rubber bushings in some rear wheels. If you do a substantial power increase then everything else will be needed updates too!

[beefcake]

We have done 124 builds on the twin cooled using the CVO 110 head. That worked out like stock pretty much. But the twin cooled will open up a new market at some point.. Unless of course there is a patent on the water cooling passages    At some point I know that wil will see a new water cooled aftermarket engine as twin cooled will be across the board in the short term future .  Myself look forward to it, you can run more compression and make more power if we can keep the engine temp stable.. I would think that you will see larger  and higher efficiency aftermarket rad's in the new future as well, higher out put direct bolt on fans etc.. Nothing new under the sun there as the automotive world has already been there years ago .

are you guys just building the oem engine or slapping the twin cooled heads on a seperate block?

someone had suggested taking a 120r and slapping my heads (after they have been gone through) on it.

[beefcake]

That much HP/TQ the Drive Train will not hold up well. Compensator Motor Sprocket,  clutch, transmission and the rubber bushings in some rear wheels. If you do a substantial power increase then everything else will be needed updates too!

i'm familiar with support mods