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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1500 on: May 08, 2018, 06:24:59 PM »

I noticed on the dyno graph that the run started about 2400 rpm, and it didn't see 100 TQ until 2700 rpm.  IIRC, with that cam, you should get 100 TQ about 2300 rpm (not to mention higher overall #).  Definitely something wrong there, as mentioned by others.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1501 on: May 08, 2018, 10:54:25 PM »

Would have to agree with the above post. Something isn't right with what the sheet says. As Harry said above, a quick compression check would be a really good place to start. That could tell you a lot.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1502 on: May 09, 2018, 08:37:40 AM »

Just got this email from the guy who is tuning my bike. I’m a little disappointed, actually a lot disappointed with the numbers. He said the same thing. I have a TTS tuner, Fullsac DX pipe, Fullsac 1-3/4 baffles, with Ventilator air cleaner. I added SE 585 cams, S&S lifters, a K&N air filter, and rocker lockers. The guy who is tuning it is very talented. He is well-versed with TTS and has tuned a previous bike for me with great results. Not sure if the baffles are choking it or something else going on.

My 117 build is 138.5 HP and 140 torque, using Fullsac head pipe and 2.25 baffles.  The smaller baffle will give more low torque but not quite as much HP at high rpm.  I'm over 107 torque at 2500 RPM and 120 torque at 2700 RPM.  The 1.175 baffle should bring torque on earlier.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1503 on: May 14, 2018, 08:55:07 PM »

motor1, did you get any better results yet?
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1504 on: May 14, 2018, 10:31:04 PM »

motor1, did you get any better results yet?


Not yet, very busy work, Mother’s Day obligations etc...
Going to do a leak down test and a compression test. We’ll see what happens and share my results with you guys.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1505 on: May 18, 2018, 11:56:52 AM »

So I have about 300kms on my 117 build (all HD out of the box and canned tune)

I was so concerned with the internet reports of soft low end, too low of compression, blah blah blah but maybe most of these kits are going into couchglides? 1000 pound rolling discos? No idea.

In my Prostreet this engine is a freight train. Pulls from clutch engagement all the way up and then hits even harder at 3500. (Rev limiting myself to 4K at the moment during drivetrain break in)

So all the people who read all these threads and convince themselves that the 259 cam and 9.9-1 compression won’t do the trick. Save your money and enjoy the bike.

Awesome. Pulls WAY harder than my 107 FM with 555s
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1506 on: May 20, 2018, 08:34:11 PM »

Have to agree. Too much talk of squeezing an extra 5-10 with other parts. The 117 are so much bigger than the old 88, it's a different story. I went with ss585 just for some more lift. Timing very close and a tighter head gasket only cause the heads were off.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1507 on: May 21, 2018, 08:20:54 PM »

I just had R & R cycle put a Bassani Roadrage B4 on and lost 11 TQ AND ITS SOUNDS LIKE GARBAGE! Plus they left the bolt to the transmission mounting bracket off! Ok, getting use to the sound of my 1st 2 into 1 pipe and adjusting to the crazy good low end power. R & R got me specs on bolt and I replaced it myself, so all good there. He also told me his dyno reads lower then most by about 10% witch would put my numbers right where I thought they would be.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1508 on: September 24, 2018, 05:44:54 AM »

Finally had my build dyno'd over the weekend

2016 CVO Road Glide Ultra

117Kit
SE585 Cams
S&S lifters
S&S adjustable push rods
fueling 5.7 injectors
Head work by HD Street Performance
Stock throttle body (mild porting)
Screamin' Eagle High Flow Exhaust with Night sticks
Screamin' Eagle Agitator Extreme Billet Air Cleaner Kit

Tune did not come out to bad.  Lost some on the upper end that may be due to the exhaust and stock throttle body




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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1509 on: September 24, 2018, 04:40:37 PM »

I just had R & R cycle put a Bassani Roadrage B4 on and lost 11 TQ AND ITS SOUNDS LIKE GARBAGE! Plus they left the bolt to the transmission mounting bracket off! Ok, getting use to the sound of my 1st 2 into 1 pipe and adjusting to the crazy good low end power. R & R got me specs on bolt and I replaced it myself, so all good there. He also told me his dyno reads lower then most by about 10% witch would put my numbers right where I thought they would be.

Do you know if it was a DynoJet machine? (I would think about getting a run on a different Dyno) Losing 11TQ is not insignificant.
I'd want to know why. (If I tried a pipe and lost 11 ft/lbs it wouldn't stay on there very long)
« Last Edit: September 24, 2018, 04:44:51 PM by MCE Performance »
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1510 on: September 24, 2018, 05:35:05 PM »

I tried a Hooker 2:1 pipe one time and it absolutely killed the TQ (everywhere). I took it off two days later
and it's still hanging on the wall in my shed. That was 10 years ago. (pos)
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1511 on: September 24, 2018, 06:09:56 PM »

A dyno reading 10% low needs some attention.  :(  I would find another dyno for comparison.
I always found Bassani RR pipes to do pretty well.
John
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1512 on: September 24, 2018, 06:17:41 PM »

A dyno reading 10% low needs some attention.  :( I always found Bassani RR pipes to do pretty well.
John

That's what I'm thinking. (My dyno reads very very close to the others that are near me).
I've never heard anything negative about the RR pipe, I've never tested one though.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1513 on: September 24, 2018, 07:09:22 PM »

Could be a correction factor thing maybe? (SAE vs STD vs ?) Just throwing out some possibilities...
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1514 on: September 24, 2018, 07:37:08 PM »

Finally had my build dyno'd over the weekend

2016 CVO Road Glide Ultra

117Kit
SE585 Cams
S&S lifters
S&S adjustable push rods
fueling 5.7 injectors
Head work by HD Street Performance
Stock throttle body (mild porting)
Screamin' Eagle High Flow Exhaust with Night sticks
Screamin' Eagle Agitator Extreme Billet Air Cleaner Kit

Tune did not come out to bad.  Lost some on the upper end that may be due to the exhaust and stock throttle body

I think the SE58mm TB will help a bunch, assuming the heads flow enough. Chad's an excellent tuner, he'll get as much out of them as there is to get. Also as John mentioned maybe a look at another exhaust system too.
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