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[mfgreen]

For 80k you could buy 2 SEEGs and still have 20k to boot.  I don't understand the whole chopper thing.  Most are for show, not ridden very much.  Sure they look cool, if you're barhopping.

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[mr_magoo]

Yeah they are novelty bikes for sure,  they do not interest me.  Now maybe a bike from Exile cycles or some of the other that look like old bobbers with the big front tires are very nice and functional.

[the O`Fender]

Choppers the young mans sport.

When I was young we built choppers cause that was what we could afford,
we started with a basket case that maybe we paid $500 to $1000 for,
then you asked your friends for the parts you didn't get in the basket.
If nobody had what you needed you would try and make something or in a rare case you went to Harley Dealer for some part (if you could afford it).
In the most part we hated buying from HD dealer because they were expensive.
The few aftermarket shops around mostly specialized in chrome exchange (in case your not familiar with the process we would trade up are leaky, warped parts for pretty chrome ones that were usually leaky and warped HA HA LOL).
Frames were always rigid for 3 reasons:
(1) they were cheap (you could buy a "weld on" hardtail for less then a pair of shocks)
(2) the superior handling (rigid frames are very predictable)
(3) lightweight (taking a 74ci with a S&S B carb and an andrews b grind cam was a great weight to HP ratio)
Or you would find a straight leg or wish bone rigid frame and cut off all the tabs then use lots of body filler to cover welds and imperfections.
Springers and girders were inexpensively had at any swap meet, versus wide glides were  expensive and narrrow glides didn't look cool!!!
That bike would weigh in at about 500lbs. with 75 HP
You do the math, that has a better ratio than our SEEG
Then we would splurge on a candy apple paint job (sheet metal only,  frames were gloss black).
no front fender cause it didn't look cool, it cost extra and meant more paint!!!
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[Tony - www.1700cc.co.uk]

Choppers the young mans sport.

When I was young we built choppers cause that was what we could afford

Right.  I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day dawn mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."

But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya' [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

[the O`Fender]

I couldn't resist diggin' out one the few photos I have of my first 1969 shovelhead chopper.
Believe me when I tell you I had all of $2500 in this scooter, but did I love it.
The ribbons are tied on it because this photo was taken at my first wedding reception of course I rode my bike and made my bride hike up her gown and ride from the church to the hall
[smiley=worthless.gif]

[Tony - www.1700cc.co.uk]

I couldn't resist diggin' out one the few photos I have of my first 1969 shovelhead chopper.

Nice bike but I bet that you had to be good with spanners!

The sort of guy that I like to ride with.  [smiley=idea2.gif]

[Twolanerider]

Right.

[mfgreen]

Choppers the young mans sport.

When I was young we built choppers cause that was what we could afford,
we started with a basket case that maybe we paid $500 to $1000 for,
then you asked your friends for the parts you didn't get in the basket.
If nobody had what you needed you would try and make something or in a rare case you went to Harley Dealer for some part (if you could afford it).
In the most part we hated buying from HD dealer because they were expensive.
The few aftermarket shops around mostly specialized in chrome exchange (in case your not familiar with the process we would trade up are leaky, warped parts for pretty chrome ones that were usually leaky and warped HA HA LOL).
Frames were always rigid for 3 reasons:
(1) they were cheap (you could buy a "weld on" hardtail for less then a pair of shocks)
(2) the superior handling (rigid frames are very predictable)
(3) lightweight (taking a 74ci with a S&S B carb and an andrews b grind cam was a great weight to HP ratio)
Or you would find a straight leg or wish bone rigid frame and cut off all the tabs then use lots of body filler to cover welds and imperfections.
Springers and girders were inexpensively had at any swap meet, versus wide glides were  expensive and narrrow glides didn't look cool!!!
That bike would weigh in at about 500lbs. with 75 HP
You do the math, that has a better ratio than our SEEG
Then we would splurge on a candy apple paint job (sheet metal only,  frames were gloss black).
no front fender cause it didn't look cool, it cost extra and meant more paint!!!
 [smiley=juggle.gif] [smiley=juggle2.gif]

Just wondering if you work for the MoCo......seems that they are still building things cheap.  I am certain the hardtail handled well, especially when rolling it around with the extended girder or springer.  Frame flexion is what the aerospace industry looks for in the design of wings for aircraft and it does not apply here. Softening the ride for the choppers that you speak so fondly invilved lowering the psi in the rear tire.  This accomplishes a couple of things besides giving you the "ride" and handling you speak so fondly of.  Greater sidewall deflection, and, less grip of the tire to the rim. MoCo now has air shocks in the rear......just add air or let it out... not a progressive type of shock with accomodation for surface and loading changes......Is H-D missing the boat by not retrofitting all of it's frames with a hardtail?  They could reduce the costs of the bikes and according to you have superior handling.  More horsepower....greater horsepower to weight ratio....in fact you got 6 2/3 lb per hp...with a bagger weighing it about 750lbs....you need about 112 hp to get the same hp to weight ratio. ...... certainly achievable with either fuel injection or carburetion....... oh yeah and reliable, too.  I did not hear you speak very fondly of that part of the "chopper" conversation.  In conclusion you express how you added chrome parts that were not good.....factory is doing just that......you were fond of the pretty paint...... factory does that.......you still hate buying from the H-D dealer because it is expensive......factory does that.......seems like the only thing you need is a grinder and some filler........factory doesn't do that.
Mike

[110tHunDer]

Just wondering if you work for the MoCo......

[smiley=confused5.gif]  Ofender lives in New Jersey.  No MoCo facilities there that I'm aware of. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Are you bored today, Mike?

[mfgreen]

Thanks for asking , Brian.
Nope, boredom is not it.
Mike

[Tony - www.1700cc.co.uk]

Are you bored today, Mike?

Over here when you hit a certain age you have your letters appear in the Times newspaper signed off "Mr Dissatisfied - of Westminster".
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[the O`Fender]

Just wondering if you work for the MoCo......seems that they are still building things cheap.  I am certain the hardtail handled well, especially when rolling it around with the extended girder or springer.  Frame flexion is what the aerospace industry looks for in the design of wings for aircraft and it does not apply here. Softening the ride for the choppers that you speak so fondly invilved lowering the psi in the rear tire.  This accomplishes a couple of things besides giving you the "ride" and handling you speak so fondly of.  Greater sidewall deflection, and, less grip of the tire to the rim. MoCo now has air shocks in the rear......just add air or let it out... not a progressive type of shock with accomodation for surface and loading changes......Is H-D missing the boat by not retrofitting all of it's frames with a hardtail?  They could reduce the costs of the bikes and according to you have superior handling.  More horsepower....greater horsepower to weight ratio....in fact you got 6 2/3 lb per hp...with a bagger weighing it about 750lbs....you need about 112 hp to get the same hp to weight ratio. ...... certainly achievable with either fuel injection or carburetion....... oh yeah and reliable, too.  I did not hear you speak very fondly of that part of the "chopper" conversation.  In conclusion you express how you added chrome parts that were not good.....factory is doing just that......you were fond of the pretty paint...... factory does that.......you still hate buying from the H-D dealer because it is expensive......factory does that.......seems like the only thing you need is a grinder and some filler........factory doesn't do that.
Mike

hey mfg
DUDE!!!  go buy a kawasaki or a honda!!! [smiley=stupid.gif]
I am not tryin' to sell you anything
and I am willing to bet the saleman from HD didn't come to your door sellin' scooters,
but i am sure that when you did go to the dealer to buy one they held you down and twisted your arm until you agreed to purchase one  [smiley=stars.gif]
I'm right, aren't I [smiley=mickey.gif]
Oh yeah one question were you in an accident recently? did you hit your head? [smiley=confused5.gif]

[110tHunDer]

hey mfg
DUDE!!!

[mr_magoo]

Well saw Jr on the orange bike last night,  was a show featuring a police bike with hack.

[mfgreen]

Oh yeah one question were you in an accident recently? did you hit your head? [smiley=confused5.gif]

What I feel that you may have missed are two things.
I love the CVO's and I am very dissappointed in the way that the MoCo deals with the execution of the bikes and the warranty on their bikes.  Yes, these bikes are the most special and are very very righteous.  That part I do not question.  My rants in these threads have been against the oversites by the MoCo on issues of quality, execution of engineering, and customer satisfaction on warranty issues.

In answer to you other question, about an accident, got rear ended by an uninsured motorist.
http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=;action=usersrecentposts;username=mfgreen  Daily migraines, 10 lb weight lifting limit restriction, numbness in both hands. These problems are ongoing for over 17 months and getting worse.  Thanks for asking.