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cam plate
« on: April 13, 2016, 05:26:46 PM »

Is is worth it to get a cam plate when doing a cam up grade. i have a 2015 cvo street glide.
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Re: cam plate
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 05:39:34 PM »


NO.

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Re: cam plate
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 06:13:10 PM »

NO.

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Agree...  Absolutely no advantage to the billet cam plate other than it's pretty...   :)
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Re: cam plate
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2016, 06:28:01 PM »

My old high compression 113" has the stock cam plate, 80,000+ miles on that cam plate.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 07:31:50 PM »

Out of uncountable  twin cam builds,i can count billit plates used on one hand.and these were cause the owners "had" to have one

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2016, 09:26:24 PM »

I think the high flow oil pump that it comes with would be a better choice,
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2016, 10:20:32 PM »

I think the high flow oil pump that it comes with would be a better choice,

Better for what?  The stock pump already has more than enough flow for the engine.

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Re: cam plate
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2016, 10:52:38 PM »

I'm far from being an expert on this but I did the S&S pump and plate when I changed the lifters. I didn't like the really low hot oil pressure. I know these engines don't need a lot of pressure but I felt the lifters would be getting plenty at idle and, after going that far in, I wanted to make sure that I had done what I could to quiet the valve train. I also didn't want to over pressure the thing at cruise and that seems to have worked out.
I have 30# cold or hot at cruise and 15 to 20 at hot idle. I like that better than checking to see if the OP light was on. I also wondered how much oil was being moved through the oil cooler at such low idle and low RPM pressure. I guess it didn't change anything but makes me feel better.
It was purrrty too! ;)
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Re: cam plate
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2016, 07:35:53 AM »

My old high compression 113" has the stock cam plate, 80,000+ miles on that cam plate.

Stock pump too.
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Re: cam plate
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2016, 09:51:36 AM »

I'm far from being an expert on this but I did the S&S pump and plate when I changed the lifters. I didn't like the really low hot oil pressure. I know these engines don't need a lot of pressure but I felt the lifters would be getting plenty at idle and, after going that far in, I wanted to make sure that I had done what I could to quiet the valve train. I also didn't want to over pressure the thing at cruise and that seems to have worked out.
I have 30# cold or hot at cruise and 15 to 20 at hot idle. I like that better than checking to see if the OP light was on. I also wondered how much oil was being moved through the oil cooler at such low idle and low RPM pressure. I guess it didn't change anything but makes me feel better.
It was purrrty too! ;)



I see the pressure relief is adjustable.  How is it adjusted/set?  Is it preset?  Or is there a procedure for adjusting the pressure relief?  Just curious... 






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Re: cam plate
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2016, 10:02:52 AM »

The last two builds I have done I did change the plate. Main reason was I would buy the fueling oil pump and lifters and could get the plate for little of nothing when buying the kit from fueling. Plate, pump and lifters for a little over $500.00

I think the stock plate is fine, so I don't think it really matters.

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Re: cam plate
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2016, 10:28:23 AM »



I see the pressure relief is adjustable.  How is it adjusted/set?  Is it preset?  Or is there a procedure for adjusting the pressure relief?  Just curious...
It comes preset and adjusts with screw and jamb nut.
I left mine factory. I did call s&so because the cruise pressure was a tad below stock. I was going to ask about the procedure but was getting pretty pissed at the  attitude. . Truthfully, had i  known how they talk to customers on the phone i would have bought something else. Customer service by phone was smart a$$ when I called. Email service was better.
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Re: cam plate
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2016, 11:04:10 AM »

There are reasons .. The S&S pump will scavenge more oil , less aeration induced into the oil , better oil pressure at idle , and less peak pressure, more pressure is more power to turn the pump , less oil in cranks case is free power, cam plate has bushings in it better wear, better oil control due to pinion fitment  and plate is more ridge which will aid in reducing  pinion wobble which directly effects cam timing.   If you have the money I feel its a well spent upgrade. If not the stock parts do work and its not like you are going backwards.



Pressure relief valve on S&S cam plate has been set at the factory
to relieve at approximately 40 psi. Using a caliper note the distance
from the end of the pressure relief screw to the pressure relief nut
and note this dimension for future reference.

     The  pressure  relief  valve  is  designed  to  keep  the  pump  from 
building excessive oil pressure at high RPM’s. Resist the temptation
to turn the screw in to try and raise the low rpm oil pressure. If your
engine has no oil pressure at idle, turning the pressure relief screw
in more will normally not help this condition, as this pressure will
be below the operating point of the pressure relief valve. If you do
adjust  the  pressure  relief  valve  to  something  other  than  the 
factory setting. We recommend not turning it more than 1/2 turn at
a time. One half turn of the screw will move the adjuster .025"which
typically  changes  oil  pressure  approximately  4  psi,  but  other 
factors may effect the actual change in pressure.


Turning  the  pressure  adjusting  screw  in  more  than  necessary  will 
cause  high  oil  pressure  at  high  RPM’s  but  will  also  needlessly  raise  oil 
temperature  and  rob  horsepower  without  really  raising  low  rpm  oil 
pressure.  Ideally  you  want  to  keep  your  oil  pressure  as  low  as  you  can 
while keeping the tappets quiet.


 
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Re: cam plate
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2016, 03:35:23 PM »

I like the S&S plates.  I have pressure checked a few and they all seem to be set correctly from the factory.  I think the thought of the HD engine doesn't need pressure is a throw over from solid lifter days, and oil was pumped to the top.  Now it just gets repeated.

IMO The HD TC engine does want pressure.  The lifter sure like it.  With using many plate and pump combos.  Even playing with the super scavenge fueling pump.  The S&S plate/ pump gets it closer to 15-20 hot idle and around 30 for cruise.  Exactly what I have been trying to achieve. 

I don't see a down side besides cost.  Does every stage 1 or 2 need this?  No, but if you are building from scratch or have a dinked up stock plate, bad relief plunger seat, sticking plunger........  It is a good option.
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Re: cam plate
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2016, 04:00:03 PM »

I also agree on the S&S plates.their about the only one that actully does something besides look pretty,but srill wouldnt recommend  replacing a good stocker with one,if the OEM plate needed replacing,then OK
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