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[jclark3603]

Ok I have read a lot about the touring bikes a some point having high speed wobble or having rear wheel steering while in a curve. I have read about True Track any body know any thing about all this - Looking for info? I am about to pick up my Black Ice SERK and I have seen a post from Hoist where he mentioned having a True Track as one of his Mods. Looking for advice any one

[VaEagle]

You might want to check out this group buy thread to start?

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php/topic,9636.0.html

[16HD117]

I had one installed on my 04 SEEG to correct the high speed wobble.  Didn't help.

Also, you loose about 1/2 inch of ground clearance when installed.

[Midnight Rider]

Ok I have read a lot about the touring bikes a some point having high speed wobble or having rear wheel steering while in a curve. I have read about True Track any body know any thing about all this - Looking for info? I am about to pick up my Black Ice SERK and I have seen a post from Hoist where he mentioned having a True Track as one of his Mods. Looking for advice any one

This is just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth.

Some people have experienced high speed wobble and some have not.  Some have put on the true track type devices with mixed results, from my reading.  Wobble can be caused by a number of things...different amounts of fork oil in each leg, improper air pressure in rear shocks, improper tire pressures, wheel alignment, steering head tightness/looseness, wind buffeting, road conditions,  etc., etc.   My bike has no wobble, and it's been in tripple digits with just me on the bike and two up.  While installing one of these devices won't HURT anything, it may be unecessary.  If it was me, I would ride the bike and see what it does, if anything.  Some "wallowing" may occur in high speed curves, but in my opinion, it is caused by suspension issues inherent to the bike, which can be corrected.

My 2 cents...before you bolt something like this on, I would see if you have a problem.

[VAZHOG]

I agree with TC- Mine does not have a wobble issue- I can change the way it handels buy adding or releasing air in the rear shocks. Touring bikes tend to wobble at speed when they are NOT loaded correctly or overloaded. Low or incorrect tire pressure.

When Travling our great land on two wheels you can start out at below sea level in the Am and be as high as 14,000 Ft above sea level by all without checking your tire pressure while on the road

Ride the bike first and (become the bike) you will know what to add or subtract at that time.

[ultrafxr]

I had one installed on my 04 SEEG to correct the high speed wobble.  Didn't help.

Also, you loose about 1/2 inch of ground clearance when installed.

Wil's true-track.com website does say it is for rearsteer, weave & wobble.  Like several have said lots of things cause / contribute to high speed wobble.  This may or may not help depending on the cause of the condition I would think.  But what I do know is that in a sweeper you can most definitely get rearsteer due to the fact that the swing arm is rubber mounted.  The True-Track will most definitely help here and this is what I got it for.  Granted, I haven't had time to put many miles on the bike since install but after seeing Wil's demo at Americade last year I'm a believer.

[Twolanerider]

Something that Hoist and I discussed a few weeks back was our conjecture over a new possible gain on the bikes coming out with radials.  One of us (don't remember who) wondered if, even with all their benefits, a potential issue with radials might be their increased rigidity leading to earlier failure of swingarm bushings than had been the case previously.  If so the True Track or Ride Str8 devices might help protect the those bushings a little bit too.

[RedDevil]

Wil's true-track.com website does say it is for rearsteer, weave & wobble.  Like several have said lots of things cause / contribute to high speed wobble.  This may or may not help depending on the cause of the condition I would think.  But what I do know is that in a sweeper you can most definitely get rearsteer due to the fact that the swing arm is rubber mounted.  The True-Track will most definitely help here and this is what I got it for.  Granted, I haven't had time to put many miles on the bike since install but after seeing Wil's demo at Americade last year I'm a believer.

While I've no doubt that the true-track does do something, I've never, knock on wood, experienced rear steer, and I've pushed my Ultras on curves to the point of scraping my floorboards.  I always maintain the proper air pressure and suspension pressure for one-up or two-up riding.  The important thing is to ride within your abilities.  I can almost assure you, not doing that will contribute more to problems in curves than a rubber mounted swing arm will.  JMHO.
Cheers ,
Red

[Boatman]

I too have fortunately not encountered rear steer or a wobble.  I have a True track and the bike seems to handle better-maybe it's just in my head for spending $400      .  In saying that, I figured it couldn't hurt anything.  It is a quality piece and I unfortunately have wasted more than $400 on other upgrades.  Everyone has to make their own choice as there is no scientific data that I am aware of.

[ultrafxr]

jclark, you'll never get everyone to agree on something like this.  Kinda like which oil is best.  Oops, can't beleive I said oil.  Never mind.

[jclark3603]

Hey Guys never expected that every one would agree - I am getting exactly what I wanted and that is informed opinions on what appears to be a well built product. Information is power If I get the informed opinions from the knowledgable people on this board then I can make what I think is a  informed decision. Makes no difference which way I decide I will have been given what I needed to make the most informed decision I can. Thanks every one and keep it up -OOPS Can i get that by the moderater?

[RedDevil]

Hey Guys never expected that every one would agree - I am getting exactly what I wanted and that is informed opinions on what appears to be a well built product. Information is power If I get the informed opinions from the knowledgable people on this board then I can make what I think is a  informed decision. Makes no difference which way I decide I will have been given what I needed to make the most informed decision I can. Thanks every one and keep it up -OOPS Can i get that by the moderater?

That's the bottom line...it's your bike and your decision.  If you buy the true-track and never experience rear wheel steer, then it worked for you.  If you don't buy it and never experience rear wheel steer, then you never needed it...either way, it's your choice. Ride safe, whichever way you decide to go.  (By the way, that $400 would get you a nice set of cams installed.... )
Cheers ,
Red

[Hoist!]

There can't be one person here that at some point hasn't felt the looseness associated with the unstabilized rubber mounts. Every one I've owned, under hard braking, feels like the rear end is loose. You can't help but feel this. Take your bike and try to brake hard on an uneven road. NYC potholes! It feels like the swingarm's falling out sometimes. This is all due to the flexing/movement of the swingarm rubber mounts. This also applies to hard launches as well. So, it also applies to any other situation where you're putting any type of lateral forces on the rubber mounts. The True-Track stabilizes the movement of these rubbermounts and limits their movement in any direction but the direction you want them to move in, allowing the swingarm to pivot. There is no way this device will do any harm and if it stabilizes these rubber mounts, the bikes handling and braking will be more predictable. I haven't tried it, but after riding FLH's for years and knowing they're all the same (even FXRs) there's no doubt in my mind that this helps. If stiffening the suspension (440s, Legends) helps handling, why would anyone think that stabilizing the swingarm wouldn't help also? Look at their website. The guy's engineering is sound. I'm trying it because of all the testimonials I've read and the engineering logic behind it. Hoist!

[CVOJOE]

Installed one over a year ago and on my SERK. True-Track is a nice design, quality product, and support was there if you need it from the manufacturer. I really like the difference in handling, and do not have any clearance problems, except with huge speed bumps, but maybe we're supposed to slow down for them or something? 

[RedDevil]

There can't be one person here that at some point hasn't felt the looseness associated with the unstabilized rubber mounts. Every one I've owned, under hard braking, feels like the rear end is loose. You can't help but feel this. Take your bike and try to brake hard on an uneven road. NYC potholes! It feels like the swingarm's falling out sometimes. This is all due to the flexing/movement of the swingarm rubber mounts. This also applies to hard launches as well. So, it also applies to any other situation where you're putting any type of lateral forces on the rubber mounts. The True-Track stabilizes the movement of these rubbermounts and limits their movement in any direction but the direction you want them to move in, allowing the swingarm to pivot. There is no way this device will do any harm and if it stabilizes these rubber mounts, the bikes handling and braking will be more predictable. I haven't tried it, but after riding FLH's for years and knowing they're all the same (even FXRs) there's no doubt in my mind that this helps. If stiffening the suspension (440s, Legends) helps handling, why would anyone think that stabilizing the swingarm wouldn't help also? Look at their website. The guy's engineering is sound. I'm trying it because of all the testimonials I've read and the engineering logic behind it. Hoist!

Howie,
Call me crazy, but I've never felt what you're talking about.  I've never felt like the rear end is shaking loose.  Maybe it's there and it's happened, but I've never felt it.  And trust me, I've done some hard braking.    I'm not saying that this doesn't work and his engineering principals aren't sound, but I've never felt the rear end of any bike I've owned do that.   
Cheers ,
Red