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[FLSTFI Dave]

[quoteWhat's not to like?]

The thin cylinder liner, in stock alloy.

The bang for the buck with the 117 HD kit can not be beaten, simple as that.
$2400 retail at 10.6 comp.

I'm 99% positive the Harley drop in 117 Kit is not 10.6 comp.  That is why I did not look at the kit, compression is to low, its only 9.9 to 1.  You could bring it up a little with a thinner gasket than the kit uses, but still well under 10.6 to 1.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/screamin-eagle-bolt-on-cvo-117--street-performance-kit

Includes 4.125" Bolt-On Cylinders, Forged 9.9:1 Compression Pistons & Rings, 58mm Throttle Body, High Flow Fuel Injectors, SE-259E Cams, Perfect-Fit Pushrods, High-Capacity Roller Tappets, Inner Cam Bearing, Top End & Cam Cover Gasket, EO Emissions Label

[ultraswede]

How thick do you think a drop in 117 is?? Lol

It has a proper cylinder liner thickness, made of tool steel, hence my comment on stock alloy in a bored 110 to 113.
(or a 96 to 107 for that matter)

The spigot is thin on the 117, but Im talking about the liner, distorting from heat.

I have no confidence in the aftermarket 107 and 113 bore jobs.

For me the proof is in the fact the there are no reports of any failures here or on techtalk with bolt in 110 or 117.
That will be the route Im going, unless I chose a Revperf 113 cylinder.

There are a few reports on oil drinking 107 and 113 on techtalk and one with pic on a ruined 113 cyl.
My 107 became an oil burner after some miles, the whole kit bought in the US from a reputable supplier.

[ultraswede]

I'm 99% positive the Harley drop in 117 Kit is not 10.6 comp.  That is why I did not look at the kit, compression is to low, its only 9.9 to 1.  You could bring it up a little with a thinner gasket than the kit uses, but still well under 10.6 to 1.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/screamin-eagle-bolt-on-cvo-117--street-performance-kit

You are correct Sir.

However, in my statement I said $2400 retail.
That include this 10.7 piston:
http://www.suburbanharley.com/Wisconsin-Harley-Davidson-Service-Performance-Center--pistons
at $416.95

The kit itself is around $2000

[Fullsac Performance]

It has a proper cylinder liner thickness, made of tool steel, hence my comment on stock alloy in a bored 110 to 113.
(or a 96 to 107 for that matter)

The spigot is thin on the 117, but Im talking about the liner, distorting from heat.

I have no confidence in the aftermarket 107 and 113 bore jobs.

For me the proof is in the fact the there are no reports of any failures here or on techtalk with bolt in 110 or 117.
That will be the route Im going, unless I chose a Revperf 113 cylinder.

There are a few reports on oil drinking 107 and 113 on techtalk and one with pic on a ruined 113 cyl.
My 107 became an oil burner after some miles, the whole kit bought in the US from a reputable supplier.

Its absolutely possible to botch any build through a number of ways and end up with an oil burner.
Just this year I seen a 117 and a 124 build done by reputable shops, both pushed out the door for an
"easy 500 mile break in" with fuel maps so lean they had no chance of making it to 50 miles with out overheating and damaging the ring seal. Luckily both owners after one trip around the block contacted me with concerns over the driveability issues they had. Both bikes went straight in to my dyno room for AFR evaluation and the needed adjustments before the ring seal was ruined by an "easy break in".
My personal experience has not seen any issues with 98", 107", 113 or 117 barrel thickness when I assembled and tuned them. Steve@GMR has done a high number of 113s in house and kits sent out.
Maybe we can get him to comment on the success rate of the 113s he assembled in house, broke in and tuned on the dyno, VS any issues that arose from kits sent out. If there were any?

Steve@fullsac.com

[Mr D]

Here's an example of a "drop in" 117 @ 10.6 gettin it done 

[FLSTFI Dave]

You are correct Sir.

However, in my statement I said $2400 retail.
That include this 10.7 piston:
http://www.suburbanharley.com/Wisconsin-Harley-Davidson-Service-Performance-Center--pistons
at $416.95

The kit itself is around $2000

But that is one Harley shops kit, not the Kit in the P&A catalog.  It's a nice set up and yields much better results than the P&A kit.  However if you do not have a tuner such as a TTS or SE race tuner you can add a few hundred more dollars.

[ultraswede]

But that is one Harley shops kit, not the Kit in the P&A catalog.  It's a nice set up and yields much better results than the P&A kit.  However if you do not have a tuner such as a TTS or SE race tuner you can add a few hundred more dollars.

I'm talking about the 10.7 piston for the PA kit, not a dealer 117 set up.
The only thing that's not HD/PA would be the pistons, the rest of kit 92500053 is used in my example.
As for the cost of a tuner, that is a prerequisite even for a stage 1.

Just pointing out possibilities.