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[DCFIREMANN]

I have a 14 CVO Limited. It had the clutch recall already doing just the  clutch master cylinder rebuild. The compensator was making noise at 20K and the clutch has ALWAYS released late.; I have been thinking about why it releases so late. The clutch lever is almost all the way released when the clutch engages. Since it is hydraulic there is no adjustment. I still have the stock clutch in the bike but I'm thinking of changing it. The clutch does not slip and I only add 1 quart of primary fluid when I change it. I have installed a Baker compensator and an AIM 400 on the clutch pak. Would changing the clutch discs and steels help? Has anyone added extra discs or steels?

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THE DAWG

[Unbalanced]

Mike,

I changed out the clutch pack with new discs and plates with the aim400.  The new pack and plates from Alto seemed to have cured the issues i was having.

[grc]

Much of what I've read on the clutch engagement point issue seems to point to a stack height problem (hard to believe Harley might have a tolerance issue, I know).  Even people who replaced the entire clutch with a Barnett found they still had the issue, and the answer from Barnett was to remove the judder spring and seat, effectively changing the stack height.  Personally, I don't like that idea.  That spring is there for a reason, and it isn't the root cause of the problem.  If you just change out all the disks and steels, it will still be a crap shoot as to whether that will in fact "fix" the release/engagement point issue.  Someone with the proper laboratory equipment and environment needs to determine the real root cause of the issue and then fix that.  One might hope H-D would undertake that job, since it's their product and their issue, but I'm not holding my breath on that one just based on how long it's taken them in the past to address any of the other widespread issues they've caused over the years.  As we all know by now, anything they don't want to spend time and money fixing is just "normal".

Jerry

btw, I'd love to see someone install one of the older hydraulic clutch master cylinders on a late model bike with this issue just to see if the engagement point magically moves.  The amount of travel of the M/C piston before it closes the bleed port to the reservoir has a direct affect on the engagement point, and I'm thinking there was a change made when they went to the new M/C.  Unfortunately I'm not in a position to test my theory.

[DCFIREMANN]

Mike,

I changed out the clutch pack with new discs and plates with the aim400.  The new pack and plates from Alto seemed to have cured the issues i was having.

I have the Alto kit arriving tomorrow. Looks like a Sunday afternoon project. I have the AIM 400 already installed. I hope this cures this issue. I am leaving for Alaska on this bike on July 9th. Thank Harry.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[DCFIREMANN]

Much of what I've read on the clutch engagement point issue seems to point to a stack height problem (hard to believe Harley might have a tolerance issue, I know).  Even people who replaced the entire clutch with a Barnett found they still had the issue, and the answer from Barnett was to remove the judder spring and seat, effectively changing the stack height.  Personally, I don't like that idea.  That spring is there for a reason, and it isn't the root cause of the problem.  If you just change out all the disks and steels, it will still be a crap shoot as to whether that will in fact "fix" the release/engagement point issue.  Someone with the proper laboratory equipment and environment needs to determine the real root cause of the issue and then fix that.  One might hope H-D would undertake that job, since it's their product and their issue, but I'm not holding my breath on that one just based on how long it's taken them in the past to address any of the other widespread issues they've caused over the years.  As we all know by now, anything they don't want to spend time and money fixing is just "normal".

Jerry

btw, I'd love to see someone install one of the older hydraulic clutch master cylinders on a late model bike with this issue just to see if the engagement point magically moves.  The amount of travel of the M/C piston before it closes the bleed port to the reservoir has a direct affect on the engagement point, and I'm thinking there was a change made when they went to the new M/C.  Unfortunately I'm not in a position to test my theory.

Harley having a tolerance issue??? I'M SHOCKED!!!!! I actually have an older clutch master cylinder in my arsenal. I may try that when I return from my trip. I'm just trying to everything as right as I can get it before I leave.

Thank Jerry.

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THE DAWG

[motor1]

I like the idea of trying an old style master cylinder, I will look forward to hearing from DC if/when he swaps one. I have my own theory that the engagement problem is related to the slip/assist clutch. I have been seriously considering removing it and installing the older Harley clutch basket, springs, etc... I have never owned, ridden a motorcycle with a clutch that engages like this POS (2015 SERGU)does.

[DCFIREMANN]

Mike,

I changed out the clutch pack with new discs and plates with the aim400.  The new pack and plates from Alto seemed to have cured the issues i was having.

I tore into the bike this afternoon in preparation for my trip. Everything went smoothly till I tried to install the new clutch disks and steels. It does not fit a 2014 slipper clutch. Was in a bad way and had to install a new Harley clutches and steels. I did do a fluid flush. It helped but not by much!!!! At least I'm heading out with all new!!!!!

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THE DAWG

[Jock]

I am leaving for Alaska on this bike on July 9th.

Keep us posted!  How far are you going into the state?

[DCFIREMANN]

Keep us posted!  How far are you going into the state?

I'm trying to make the Artic Circle. BUT I'm not going to destroy the bike doing it. So Fairbanks might be as far north as I get. I'm coming back on the water taxi into Bellingham. I will be posting them on Facebook. I will need help resizing the pics for here.

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THE DAWG

[Jock]

I'm trying to make the Artic Circle. BUT I'm not going to destroy the bike doing it.

Most excellent!  Took my former KLR650 to Prudhoe Bay and had a blast! 

IMHO - You need to be prepared for the fact that the bike will pick up some wear and tear from this ride.  A lot of loose gravel this time of year on these roads.  Enjoy the journey.

 

[DCFIREMANN]

Most excellent!  Took my former KLR650 to Prudhoe Bay and had a blast! 

IMHO - You need to be prepared for the fact that the bike will pick up some wear and tear from this ride.  A lot of loose gravel this time of year on these roads.  Enjoy the journey.

 

I'm sure it will. I have some spray on plasti coat that can be peeled off. I think the fairing and front fender will get the treatment. How long did it take you? I'm leaving tomorrow and Momma is flying in to Anchorage on the 22nd.

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THE DAWG

[Mr. Warlock]

What is the facebook page you will be posting on?

Rick

[fos41]

Just now found the clutch late engagement now after making a new thread on same topic sorry. Just bought a `15 CVO Street Glide with 4375 miles clutch is doing exactly as described above with very late engagement at the end of the levers travel! It also clunks on shifts too! The dealer told me clutch "is adjusted to mfg. specs." which I know is bunk b/c it isn`t adjustable.

Took it to a different dealer waiting on what is said. Have not disassembled clutch pack myself, but know from previous experience with various other bikes that clutch plate thickness dictates the engage/disengage point. A shame a new expensive motorcycle with this problem!

[DCFIREMANN]

What is the facebook page you will be posting on?

Rick

Sorry Rick. I am having clutch problems again and came back to reread the post. It's Michael Skahill on Facebook and I am in Maryland. The pics have been up for 10 months now.

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THE DAWG

[CVODON]

I personally like it releasing at the end. Same way I wanted every bike (or car) I ever owned to release. Not sure why anyone wants a clutch to release any earlier, Even in my Jap bike days the first thing I did was adjust the clutch out as far as I could get it, When I bought my first HD with a hydraulic clutch I was so happy they had done it for me, and it would stay that way without adjustment. To each his own.