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[dm930]

Will let you know when the bike arrives.

[KC2GIW]

If it has the tuner, it was on the dyno.  No one in their right mind would spend the $495 or what ever they are and not use it. If the bike is running fine, it was tuned. With headers on it, you would be able to tell if it wasn't tuned.


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There are many dealers that insist on installing the SE tuner even to upload a stage 1 map. 

Necessary or not, that's the truth.

[glens]

There are many dealers that insist on installing the SE tuner even to upload a stage 1 map. 

Necessary or not, that's the truth.

What's even sadder about that is that there's no HD "stage 1 map" for V&H pipes anyway, so unless it's been "tuned" the calibration's a crap-shoot anyway.

[KC2GIW]

What's even sadder about that is that there's no HD "stage 1 map" for V&H pipes anyway, so unless it's been "tuned" the calibration's a crap-shoot anyway.

That's fair, but on the other side of the coin, the stage 1 map ran "fine" on my '14 - which had just this very setup. 

Depends on whether you care how much power it's making or just that it's well-behaved I guess.

[dm930]

To be honest, I only want the bike to have a smooth and linear power/torque curve.  An extra 3-7 hp isn't as important to me.

[bakon]

The stage one download will be fine then

[remington007]

Having the ability with PV, to view and compare Factory maps, Digital Tech stage 1 and SESPT stage 1 maps (14 to 16 FL's) i can tell you there is very little difference between them. The VE tables are EXACTLY the SAME, Main FA table have a very slight difference. So with a stage 1 map you are basically raising the rev limit for your money. Now as far as Harley is concerned a stage 1 would still have the cat installed. Having tuned MANY stage 1 Harley's with the cat removed there is a substantial difference in the VE tables when done. Especially in the upper load region. I would not ride with a stage 1 download with the cat removed.

[dm930]

Having the ability with PV, to view and compare Factory maps, Digital Tech stage 1 and SESPT stage 1 maps (14 to 16 FL's) i can tell you there is very little difference between them. The VE tables are EXACTLY the SAME, Main FA table have a very slight difference. So with a stage 1 map you are basically raising the rev limit for your money. Now as far as Harley is concerned a stage 1 would still have the cat installed. Having tuned MANY stage 1 Harley's with the cat removed there is a substantial difference in the VE tables when done. Especially in the upper load region. I would not ride with a stage 1 download with the cat removed.

Is there potential to hurt the engine that way?  Too lean?