Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[mcdonaldroadcapt]

Thanks for valuable info.

[mcdonaldroadcapt]

Have not finished my job of checking crank shaft end play due to illness. However, after taking another look awaiting tolerance dial, why is it necessary to have the new comp torqued in order to check end play. Don't understand what the torqued comp bolt has to do with the end play. Would you please explain and thanks.

[prodrag1320]

When you tighten the compenstator,it will pull the lower end tight up against the bearing.pretty much the same on a timken motor,when the compensator is tightened,it pulls the bearings together.both set ups have to have the compesator tight to check end play

[Trapperdog]

When the '07's crank problems started coming out, I seem to remember a service buliten or tech tip on checking tolerances on the comp side. I remember the numbers being different than the pump side but that doesn't make sense. Getting old and memories fading

[grc]

When the '07's crank problems started coming out, I seem to remember a service buliten or tech tip on checking tolerances on the comp side. I remember the numbers being different than the pump side but that doesn't make sense. Getting old and memories fading

At the time there wasn't a great way to actually check radial runout on the drive side since there wasn't an easily accessible machined surface to check with a dial indicator.  Much of the shaft was left as cast.  I remember people trying to check it using the splined part of the shaft, and of course that was a very iffy process that wasn't likely to give great results.

Let's face it, the product in '07 was a joke, but it wasn't funny for the people who bought one.  The latest versions are improved, because Harley didn't have a choice but to do something before all the crank problems and failures not only blew the warranty budget but more importantly before the bad press shut off the sales.  As far as I'm concerned the product is still shoddy compared to most other offerings out there, but at least most folks don't seem to be having them scissor before the 1000 mile checkup.  They still have way too much runout on the pinion shaft, which creates excessive wear of the cam plate and the oil pump.  And the design is still too fragile, thus all the attempts to protect it with cush drives in the rear wheel, a slipper clutch, and the long travel compensator that is still problematic after nine years.  Oh, I almost forgot, they also instituted the torque management strategy with the electronic throttle system, whereby the throttle plate opens slower than what the rotation of the throttle grip should provide at low engine speeds.

Tech Tip 324 attached.

JMHO - Jerry

[Trapperdog]

At the time there wasn't a great way to actually check radial runout on the drive side since there wasn't an easily accessible machined surface to check with a dial indicator.  Much of the shaft was left as cast.  I remember people trying to check it using the splined part of the shaft, and of course that was a very iffy process that wasn't likely to give great results.

Let's face it, the product in '07 was a joke, but it wasn't funny for the people who bought one.  The latest versions are improved, because Harley didn't have a choice but to do something before all the crank problems and failures not only blew the warranty budget but more importantly before the bad press shut off the sales.  As far as I'm concerned the product is still shoddy compared to most other offerings out there, but at least most folks don't seem to be having them scissor before the 1000 mile checkup.  They still have way too much runout on the pinion shaft, which creates excessive wear of the cam plate and the oil pump.  And the design is still too fragile, thus all the attempts to protect it with cush drives in the rear wheel, a slipper clutch, and the long travel compensator that is still problematic after nine years.  Oh, I almost forgot, they also instituted the torque management strategy with the electronic throttle system, whereby the throttle plate opens slower than what the rotation of the throttle grip should provide at low engine speeds.

Tech Tip 324 attached.

JMHO - Jerry

That's the one, I was somewhat close.
And the second paragraph represents why we also own four other different manufacturers bikes

[Unbalanced]

As a recipient of 07 beta testing all i can say is i wont be the guinea pig for the 17's we will have to see how the CVO's with the 114's hold up.   I think the Red one is gonna be sharp looking.

[mcdonaldroadcapt]

When the '07's crank problems started coming out, I seem to remember a service buliten or tech tip on checking tolerances on the comp side. I remember the numbers being different than the pump side but that doesn't make sense. Getting old and memories fading

Got it and thanks.

[Rooster]

As a recipient of 07 beta testing all i can say is i wont be the guinea pig for the 17's we will have to see how the CVO's with the 114's hold up.   I think the Red one is gonna be sharp looking.

I'm with Harry on this as well. I am hopeful for success but I'm going to let others do the testing this time around. I still prefer HD over the Victory and Indian but at least they get a more reliable motor and tranny than the HD offering and a lot less $$$. Well so far at least. I have one friend with a Victory Cross Country with more than 140k and has only replaced oil and tires. And that is what we all want I believe. I know many of us have invested thousands of $$ more trying to get there.