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[spook120]

Just on Yahoo finance.  Appears HD is being sued by US gov. for selling anti emission devices...the Screaming Eagle tuners.  Not sure what that will be all about...just bringing it to your attention. 

[SHRADER]

Aug 18 (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department has sued Harley-Davidson Inc for allegedly violating environmental laws, court filings showed on Thursday.

The lawsuit, filed on behalf of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), accused the company of violating the Clean Air Act and on-highway motorcycle regulations.

The lawsuit is related to 12,682 motorcycles that did not conform with EPA regulations governing engine emission standards, according to court filings.

The civil lawsuit, filed in the federal court in Washington, D.C., seeks to impose fines for sale of non-compliant motorcycles.

Harley-Davidson's shares were down 7.5 percent.

[havenolife]

News just said it was settled of a unclosed amount and..........NO MORE PRO TUNER'S !!! lol

[sadunbar]

Perhaps the end result of this action will be the MOCO will now have to start selling motorcycles which will no longer requiring tuning devices to correct their extreme lean, hot running condition in stock configuration!  (a guy can hope!)

If the new single cam motors have corrected the oiling deficiencies of the twin cam motors, maybe lifters can once again become a reliable component.    (as long as we're hoping...)

Sadly, the compensator has not yet been mentioned as being altered on the new configured motors, but maybe that's a hole card he dealers plan use to seal the deal on new bike sales...  (o.k., now we've moved from hoping to dreaming...)

 

[TN]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-18/hog-slaughtered-harley-davidson-tumbles-after-us-accuses-it-evading-emissions-requir

[110tHunDer]

Depending on which article you read, it cost them $12-$15 million to settle.  Another article said they sold 339,000 tuners between 2008-2015.  What's one cost, $500?  They are still money ahead.  And the stock has already recovered to only down 2%.

[DCFIREMANN]

Harley is paying a 12 million dollar fine for the sale of it's Race Tuner. They must stop selling them by August 23rd.

The EPA and the Federal Government strikes again!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Twolanerider]

Was worse than that:

The Milwaukee-based manufacturer will pay a $12 million civil penalty and $3 million toward environmental efforts in a deal with the Environmental Protection Agency after the agency accused the company of selling about 340,000 "super tuners" that bolstered power but also raised harmful emissions.

The company agreed to offer to buy back all of the devices, cease selling the tuners and destroy them.

From a USA today article here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/08/18/harley-davidson-epa-emissions-settlement-defeat-devices/88944648/


No idea what the documentation requirements will be for the buy back but if anyone is thinking about trying another tuner this might be a chance to get money back from Harley and try out the new one with then little new money out of pocket.

[skratch]

Depending on which article you read, it cost them $12-$15 million to settle.  Another article said they sold 339,000 tuners between 2008-2015.  What's one cost, $500?  They are still money ahead.  And the stock has already recovered to only down 2%.

no, they aren't money ahead.  not only did they have the fine, but they are going to be required to buy back those devices.

Harley-Davidson will pay a $12 million civil penalty and a separate $3 million on a project in local communities that replaces wood-burning stoves with cleaner-burning ones to mitigate air pollution, according to an Environmental Protection Agency statement. Harley-Davidson also has to stop selling and buy back the devices that were on the motorcycles as part of the settlement.

[Twolanerider]

Depending on which article you read, it cost them $12-$15 million to settle.  Another article said they sold 339,000 tuners between 2008-2015.  What's one cost, $500?  They are still money ahead.  And the stock has already recovered to only down 2%.

Part of the settlement was an agreement to offer to buy them back from customers too.  So it'll be more than just the $12M penalty and $3 environmental remediation charge.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/08/18/harley-davidson-epa-emissions-settlement-defeat-devices/88944648/

[DCFIREMANN]

I just put my hands on 3 of them. BTW the Super Tuner as we know it will not work on the 2017 models. HD just released the new Super Tuner today for the 2017 and later models. I told my parts guy to order all he can get. The part number is not obsolete as of 135 PM Eastern Time!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[charles05663]

I wonder how this is going to impact other vendors who sell tuners like TTS, Thunder-Max, etc.  It looks like the days of tuners may be limited.

 

[110tHunDer]

Awesomeness!  I can sell it back and buy a new TTS!

[HarleyJeffOregon]

I am not giving mine up!!!!
LMAO

[grc]

As I've mentioned many times over the years, the bogus "for race use only" disclaimers were just a way to knowingly break the law without penalty.  Now finally, after getting away with it for over a decade, the Feds have finally figured out what everyone else has known forever.

As of August 23, 2016, they are required to stop selling SEPST's and are required to buy back and destroy all SEPST's in dealer inventories.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-sues-harley-davidson-environmental-violations-151041860--finance.html?ref=gs

Jerry