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[jsfenster110]

There is a lot of great info. out now on the 117 kit.  Many like me have done the cams and pipes and don't want to change things.
The bike runs beautifully with 95/109.  Pulls hard from the bottom to 5K.

If I add the 117 pistons and jugs, will these cams still work well?  My desire is the 1500-5,000 range and I am 1 up only.  Current bike is the 2016 SGCVO.

Thank you

[Desertwndrr]

You would need to match the compression of the 117 kit for the cams.  Those cams are very torquey cams designed for a low compression stock engine while I'd guess that the 117 kit is much higher in compression.

[Mr D]

There is a lot of great info. out now on the 117 kit.  Many like me have done the cams and pipes and don't want to change things.
The bike runs beautifully with 95/109.  Pulls hard from the bottom to 5K.

If I add the 117 pistons and jugs, will these cams still work well?  My desire is the 1500-5,000 range and I am 1 up only.  Current bike is the 2016 SGCVO.

Thank you

There is no replacement for displacement....

Using this kit 92500051, HD publishes the compression @ 9.9:1
The TTS 100 can be ran up to 10.2 with a great tune (key in any build) yet, would not be my first choice of cams but it would work...I'd insert a T Man grind
IMO, for a few hundred extra when doing I'd have a reputable head porter (a few on this site) clean up the ports on the 110 head, add a SE 58 with a great tune & you'll have gobs of torque on your hands. 

[HD Street Performance]

A mismatch.
You will achieve what you want but need more cam to get there. A tman 600SM would be fine as well as many others in the 240 duration neighborhood.
You grew the motor, the airflow required went up. The same cam that is done at 4500 is now flatlining at 4000 or less. High heat to boot.

[FLTRI]

It may or may not work but will never know unless it's tried. Some folks are not too concerned about power above (>4000) where they ride.
It may make for a twitchy low rpm build but can be tamed with the throttle progressivity table.
Detonation may be the ultimate challenge but who knows until it's tried?
I do agree there are better high rpm performance cams but he has the TTS cams and may be worth try?
Bob

[HD Street Performance]

Ok lower the compression then and they will work fine. The pistons can be dished, there is adequate deck. Take it down to 9.0:1.
Twitchy is a good description.  Guys think they like the look of torque curves that hit 100+ at 2000 and peak at 2800 until they ride such a bike. Looks good on paper and sounds good in a conversation.

[jsfenster110]

Thank you all.  I know the TTS cams are lower compression.  But as one indicated they have more room from the stock 9.2.  If the bike pulls from 1500 with the same vigor it does now at 1900, I don't really care about 6,000.

This 110 is so drivable and so torquey.  More displacement of the same order would be wonderful.
If I could pick up 8/10, it would be a huge success.

Harley is seeing 15/15 from most using the stock kit and either 585 or 259.

Would I still need the 58mm TB?  I can always go back and change the cams later if it isn't what I hoped.

Thanks again...

[Mr D]

Thank you all.  I know the TTS cams are lower compression.  But as one indicated they have more room from the stock 9.2.  If the bike pulls from 1500 with the same vigor it does now at 1900, I don't really care about 6,000.

This 110 is so drivable and so torquey.  More displacement of the same order would be wonderful.
If I could pick up 8/10, it would be a huge success.

Harley is seeing 15/15 from most using the stock kit and either 585 or 259. 585 10.5:1 259 10.8,9:1


Would I still need the 58mm TB?  I can always go back and change the cams later if it isn't what I hoped.

Thanks again...

[HD Street Performance]

Thank you all.  I know the TTS cams are lower compression.  But as one indicated they have more room from the stock 9.2.  If the bike pulls from 1500 with the same vigor it does now at 1900,

This also is sounding brutal on the stock crank BTW

[FLTRI]

This also is sounding brutal on the stock crank BTW

Maybe, but torque at 1000-2000rpms is less than at say 3500-4000rpms (peak).
Horsepower is way down at 2000rpms as compared to 4000rpms.
If the engine is tuned properly it should run smooth down low and not cause "jerking" and flywheel scissoring issues?
Just guessing,
Bob

[EzGlider117]

I believe you're going to need the larger TB and injectors.  Not sure if this helps, but here is a TTS 150. 

[FlaHeatWave]

Maybe, but torque at 1000-2000rpms is less than at say 3500-4000rpms (peak).
Horsepower is way down at 2000rpms as compared to 4000rpms.
If the engine is tuned properly it should run smooth down low and not cause "jerking" and flywheel scissoring issues?
Just guessing,
Bob

Ride your bike as you see fit... but consistent operation of a TC <2k is beating the snot out of the Crank, Comp, Primary & Transmission... did I leave anything out oh yea, the Battery and Charging System (low output)

Yes, my 117 produces 120 ftlbs at 2200, probably close to 100 ftlbs at idle, perfect Tune, super smooth everywhere ...

Yet the only time it is operated <2k is going through 1st gear and rolling around low speed 90* corners in 2nd... even then, I have to feather the Clutch or the Bike will "hop" with so much torque at such low RPMs

[HD Street Performance]

Just my personal opinion and based on my riding style..
Dyno curves can be compared and bragging rights go to the most flat highest torque curve.  Then there's real world. Personally on my own bike, cvo rk 2013, I chose to cull a little down low with my cam choice, andrews 54. I don't care about any sheets. Mine is quiet, runs cool, is easy on valve train, most important fun to ride. I would have used a kuryakyn cam if they were still around, the 24. Years ago when they were popular and Mike was part of the company I used some and was always impressed with the manners and linear power across a broad range of builds.

[jsfenster110]

Thank you for all the good ideas and follow up.  The TTS 150s were just coming out when I bought the 100s.  Great graph and excellent results.

My other thought was to keep the engine as is and add the DD7.  A little more leverage on an already great running 110.

Thoughts?

[FlaHeatWave]

Thank you for all the good ideas and follow up.  The TTS 150s were just coming out when I bought the 100s.  Great graph and excellent results.

My other thought was to keep the engine as is and add the DD7.  A little more leverage on an already great running 110.

Thoughts?

Once you ride a DD7 you'll be spoiled  the bike is more responsive everywhere.

'Have the DD7 in the '09 for >30k so far, shifts as smooth and quiet as day one...