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[SIKBIRD]

Do you guys think the 2016's may hold value better now that the 2017's and all their EPA restrictions are out?  Not trying to offend the '17 owners (I'd be all over one if $40k was in the checking account) but was just wondering if they might have had a slight uptick in value because most of us can't leave our bikes alone with regard to pipes, air cleaners, tuners, etc.

[Road Dad]

No, why would they?

It's a toy.

[Harley Guy]

No.....
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No difference than any other years.
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[CVODON]

NO, EPA ? What ? NO

[SIKBIRD]

Haha! Just deep thoughts from a guy who is about 6 beers deep. 

[Supershooter]

I doubt it, time increases depreciation, the last 8 years. After market companies will help with engine enhancement.

Supershooter

[SDCVO]

Any time there is a major upgrade (motor) on any vehicle the last year before that upgrade gets hit the hardest once public accepts upgrade. There is always a window where people will make a run on last model either because of deals dealers are doing to clear out old stock, nay sayers thinking new body style/technology is a fail, not liking new looks because people don't like change, etc but eventually that window always closes and that last model gets completely hammered..

[DesertHOG]

I was on eBay the past few days and watching some slightly used 2016 Road Glides. It's not a pretty picture. Mind you these aren't CVO but the new 16 FLTRUSE as selling for $6k discount.

1409 Miles, 2016 FLTRXS, $15.6k SOLD
http://www.ebay.com/itm/222512688884?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

940 Miles, 2016 FLTRX, $16.9k asked OBO
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152552290386?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

19.5k Miles, 2016 FLTRXS, $18.4k asked OBO
http://www.ebay.com/itm/112391631287?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

2417 Miles, 2016 FLTRX, $15,998 asked OBO
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152530296193?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I don't believe the 2016 CVO models would do any better on a comparative basis (% of purchase price).

DH

[SIKBIRD]

i understand how the market works against '16's when the '17's are introduced and I remember when the TC motor came out the EVO's got hammered but I think this time it's a little different...my thoughts stem from the restrictions that HD has been forced to place on the owner as far as mods and voiding the warranty.  Visually the bikes are nearly identical.  Technologically they are nearly identical (as far as the infotainment).  It would be a tough choice, at least for me, if I were standing in a dealership with a pile of cash looking at the '16 blue & silver CVO Limited vs. the '17 blue & silver CVO Limited knowing that I could change just about anything I want on one but severely limited as to what I could do to the other.

[G 97]

i understand how the market works against '16's when the '17's are introduced and I remember when the TC motor came out the EVO's got hammered but I think this time it's a little different...my thoughts stem from the restrictions that HD has been forced to place on the owner as far as mods and voiding the warranty.  Visually the bikes are nearly identical.  Technologically they are nearly identical (as far as the infotainment).  It would be a tough choice, at least for me, if I were standing in a dealership with a pile of cash looking at the '16 blue & silver CVO Limited vs. the '17 blue & silver CVO Limited knowing that I could change just about anything I want on one but severely limited as to what I could do to the other.

What specifically can you change on a 2016 model but not on a 2017 model.  What are you limited from changing?

[SIKBIRD]

There has been much debate on this topic since the EPA settlement was announced and there have been conflicting reports from various dealers (some say they will honor the warranty with mods, others say they will not) but it is my understanding that you can change the slip ons but you cannot change the headers, you are very limited in what kind of tuner you can use so that's going to limit the type of air cleaner you can run.  If you can't get rid of the cat in the head pipe then there really isn't any need in changing the slipons because they wouldn't sound much different.

Don't get me wrong I love the new motor but I do not like the government telling me what to do (which is ironic because I work for the government). Now in five years when the warranties run out and the aftermarket catches up to the M8, it's gonna be a different game.

[ultrarider123]

i understand how the market works against '16's when the '17's are introduced and I remember when the TC motor came out the EVO's got hammered but I think this time it's a little different...my thoughts stem from the restrictions that HD has been forced to place on the owner as far as mods and voiding the warranty. Visually the bikes are nearly identical.  Technologically they are nearly identical (as far as the infotainment).  It would be a tough choice, at least for me, if I were standing in a dealership with a pile of cash looking at the '16 blue & silver CVO Limited vs. the '17 blue & silver CVO Limited knowing that I could change just about anything I want on one but severely limited as to what I could do to the other.

SIK, no more beer for you....

ANY modifications to a vehicles exhaust, intake, programming, etc. that takes that vehicle (with two, three, four or more wheels) out of EPA compliance is illegal.  That didn't magically change from 2016 to 2017.  Harley getting their hand slapped with a federal lawsuit and big fine can do wonders to your perspective...hence the "crackdown" for 2017 in an attempt to make a good show to the feds by "clamping down" on these illegal modifications by owners and using the warranty as one means to accomplish that.  Making our scooters run better/cooler/produce more power was as illegal 2016 prior as it still is today.  I do find it interesting that the timing of all this (lawsuit/fine/elimination of the old SE tuner) happened to coincided with the introduction of a new motor AND a new SE tuner...

My '15 has had no modifications mechanically to enhance the operational efficiency.  Why?  Well, this was only the second year for the twin cooling, first year for the redesign on the Road Glide and still having issues with the 110 so maintaining everything legal in keeping my warranty intact was important to me.  The factory as well as ESP/extended warranty clearly stated then as it does now they can void either for illegal mods.  Why do you think all of the GOOD aftermarket tuners (TTS, FP3) allow for "taking settings back to factory" if you have a warranty claim?

My warranty runs out the end of July this year.  Post warranty, I am contemplating some mechanical upgrades for more power, smoother and cooler operation and better efficiency....

.....all still illegal, by the way....Haird the outlaw....

[SIKBIRD]

Ok, sober now, haha! I get it that you can take it back to factory specs to get a warranty claim but man you would be in a pickle if something happened on a road trip and the motor quit and you had no way of changing it back.  Imagine running down the road and you lose all power and your only option is to have it towed to a dealership and while they fix your issue they discover your tuner and being good corporate citizens report you to the EPA (as I think they are required), and go into the computer and tag your VIN with a warranty void.  Man that would suck!

[Twolanerider]

i understand how the market works against '16's when the '17's are introduced and I remember when the TC motor came out the EVO's got hammered but I think this time it's a little different

Nope......  Never hurts to be hopeful against all reason though.   

[grc]

People need to understand that the golden years of near zero depreciation are kaput, and have been for ten years or more.  Conning yourself into believing otherwise, to justify paying the ridiculous price for a new one, is a fools game.

Jerry