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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2018, 08:56:49 AM »

The M8 is governed to 107 mph, the 107, the 114 and the 117.  The HD warranty legal tuners will not remove the speed governor or the rev limiter.  I know the TTS tuner will for a fact.

The TTS route is tricky. Yes, you can restore the baseline. How easy is it to do that when you break down 1500 miles from home? Heard from one of my HD tech friends that he’s already seen 3 warranties voided due to ECM modifications.
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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2018, 10:01:21 AM »

I'm waiting till the 2 yr warranty expires, as are most considering motor upgrades , got a PV just need to buy a new license frustrating .. yes

Got a 18 RGS like yourself, at least time will give more aftermarket options, seems to be lots of big bore choice options down the line
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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2018, 10:12:54 AM »

Ol Hub would prolly say, limits? HA, no limits here.  ;D
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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2018, 03:52:53 PM »

So I got a call from the HD Service Writer. They completed the scheduled work and there is still noise coming from the top end. They are ordering a complete Stage III Kit and starting over. Unbelievable. Guess the original Technician, one of their most experienced, really messed up the first install.
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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2018, 04:12:20 PM »

So I got a call from the HD Service Writer. They completed the scheduled work and there is still noise coming from the top end. They are ordering a complete Stage III Kit and starting over. Unbelievable. Guess the original Technician, one of their most experienced, really messed up the first install.

So rather than actually finding the cause of the knock (and therefore any subsequent issues that may develop from it) they don't even look and just replace everything?  Even if they know they're going to throw the kitchen sink at it I'd want to know what the problem is.

They're aren't that many sources for a top end noise.  It's not like this is difficult diagnostics.....
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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2018, 05:12:37 PM »

So rather than actually finding the cause of the knock (and therefore any subsequent issues that may develop from it) they don't even look and just replace everything?  Even if they know they're going to throw the kitchen sink at it I'd want to know what the problem is.

They're aren't that many sources for a top end noise.  It's not like this is difficult diagnostics.....
Simon did say it was a "HD Service Writer" that called him that would mean it's a HD Dealership with factory trained technicians (parts changers)…. so not in the least bit surprised they are going to throw the "kitchen sink" at it as that would be the quickest (not best) remedy to solve the problem... not saying it's correct but it is what it is. :nixweiss:

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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2018, 05:17:51 PM »

Simon did say it was a "HD Service Writer" that called him that would mean it's a HD Dealership with factory trained technicians (parts changers)…. so not in the least bit surprised they are going to throw the "kitchen sink" at it as that would be the quickest (not best) remedy to solve the problem... not saying it's correct but it is what it is. :nixweiss:

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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2018, 05:40:34 PM »

The TTS route is tricky. Yes, you can restore the baseline. How easy is it to do that when you break down 1500 miles from home? Heard from one of my HD tech friends that he’s already seen 3 warranties voided due to ECM modifications.
Even if you get the original HD map re-installed.....I have heard that it is date stamped with the 'new' installation date.....the bike itself rats you out!!!
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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2018, 05:57:35 PM »

So rather than actually finding the cause of the knock (and therefore any subsequent issues that may develop from it) they don't even look and just replace everything?  Even if they know they're going to throw the kitchen sink at it I'd want to know what the problem is.

They're aren't that many sources for a top end noise.  It's not like this is difficult diagnostics.....

He stated that they believed that heavy duty springs were not used. I told him that would be unusual since the new springs are a part of the kit. I just get the feeling that the guys who installed the original Stage III kit just did a shambles of a job.
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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2018, 07:10:09 PM »

Certainly, not good news on the M8 - I was thinking of buying a 2019 in a few months if any caught my eye.

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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2018, 07:47:20 PM »

He stated that they believed that heavy duty springs were not used. I told him that would be unusual since the new springs are a part of the kit. I just get the feeling that the guys who installed the original Stage III kit just did a shambles of a job.


Always such a nuisance/pain to have to deal with problems.  Even more so when you having a nagging-or-worse feeling that the problems might have so easily avoided.  Thank god for spare bikes to ride.

So the thinking know is they replaced everything in the cam chest for what might turn out to be a broken valve spring or something else up top.  Yeah, thank god for spare bikes....
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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2018, 11:05:31 PM »

Even if you get the original HD map re-installed.....I have heard that it is date stamped with the 'new' installation date.....the bike itself rats you out!!!

That's not true. When Mastertune restores the ECM back to original, it also restores the original date and time stamp.

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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2018, 11:32:09 PM »

He stated that they believed that heavy duty springs were not used. I told him that would be unusual since the new springs are a part of the kit. I just get the feeling that the guys who installed the original Stage III kit just did a shambles of a job.
That's why I've developed harleytechnophobia - fear of having a Harley tech anywhere near my bike, lol.  Seriously I've not done much in the way of performance upgrades to my various Harleys but the few I've done came back to bite me due to poor workmanship.  I know that even a bone stock motor from the factory may not be assembled properly but I gotta think there's a good probabilityi t will have been assembled correctly.  Having the motor torn down and rebuilt / upgraded by your friendly local Harley tech - maybe 50/50.  From what I've seen and experienced these tech are working on several jobs at a time, may be waiting on parts,  etc., and it's really easy to forget something important, skip over something, not torque a fastener properly, etc. - basically do a shambles of a job as you said Simon.

Hope they get it all sorted for you and your're good to go.
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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2018, 08:03:59 AM »

The TTS route is tricky. Yes, you can restore the baseline. How easy is it to do that when you break down 1500 miles from home? Heard from one of my HD tech friends that he’s already seen 3 warranties voided due to ECM modifications.

Question is was it a TTS tuner?  Did the owner flash it to stock?  The refresh is easy, the pain is having to take a laptop with you on the trip.

That's not true. When Mastertune restores the ECM back to original, it also restores the original date and time stamp.

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Thats just one of many reasons I uses TTS.  Local dealer who prior to the M8 only used Harley stuff is now using TTS.  And this is why.  They know people want to modify their bikes.
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Re: ...and so it starts. Knock, knock, knock ...
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2018, 08:47:59 AM »

He stated that they believed that heavy duty springs were not used. I told him that would be unusual since the new springs are a part of the kit. I just get the feeling that the guys who installed the original Stage III kit just did a shambles of a job.
Makes me wonder what the Tech was thinking. Is he disgruntled? Rushed? Under the gun for efficiency numbers?

My favorite tech whom is also a FB friend of mine recently quit wrenching and moved on to another occupation altogether due to stuff like I just mentioned. I'm glad they have another Master Tech on site I trust and the SM is also an MT that used to build engines down at CycleRama.

There's a member on here that had a 117 kit done by my friend/former tech that was quite pleased with his work along with a few dyno sheets on here as well with his name at the bottom of them that people are happy with. I'll miss him at the shop end of things but still have Him as a resource for answering questions or helping me empty a cooler.

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