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Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« on: September 08, 2019, 07:20:51 PM »

Have there been issues with 2020 sumping or has HD fixed it with the latest oul pump?
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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2019, 10:06:43 PM »

Very odd.....but none in this area
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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2019, 09:56:20 AM »

I'm sure this years issues will show up soon :)
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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2019, 08:06:20 AM »

I have yet to see some one post about their new 2020 CVO good or bad...
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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2019, 08:54:17 AM »

I have yet to see some one post about their new 2020 CVO good or bad...

I haven't seen many posts from people saying they bought a 2020 yet, much less talking about good or bad results.  If dealerships in the rest of the country are anything like the ones here in the Midwest, they are sitting on a significant inventory of 2018 and 2019 bikes and the 2020's are starting to collect dust as well.  The bloom is definitely off the rose around here.

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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2019, 09:29:26 AM »

Waiting to hear with popcorn ready.
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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2019, 03:29:38 PM »

I haven't seen many posts from people saying they bought a 2020 yet, much less talking about good or bad results.  If dealerships in the rest of the country are anything like the ones here in the Midwest, they are sitting on a significant inventory of 2018 and 2019 bikes and the 2020's are starting to collect dust as well.  The bloom is definitely off the rose around here.

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I count five new CVO bikes total - all 2019 - at H-D dealers in the western half of WI. Three of them are at La Crosse H-D. That doesn’t seem to be a huge amount of inventory to me.

As a 2019 CVO SG owner, I’ve been watching this forum closely for sumping reports and it seems there has been a marked decline between this time last year and now. I’m hoping that means the problem is being slowly mitigated. Whatever the case, sumping reports on the site seem to be on the decline based on my anecdotal analysis.




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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2019, 04:07:49 PM »

I count five new CVO bikes total - all 2019 - at H-D dealers in the western half of WI. Three of them are at La Crosse H-D. That doesn’t seem to be a huge amount of inventory to me.

As a 2019 CVO SG owner, I’ve been watching this forum closely for sumping reports and it seems there has been a marked decline between this time last year and now. I’m hoping that means the problem is being slowly mitigated. Whatever the case, sumping reports on the site seem to be on the decline based on my anecdotal analysis.


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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2019, 05:25:35 PM »

 8) Let's hope it's in the past!
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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2019, 08:38:17 PM »

I count five new CVO bikes total - all 2019 - at H-D dealers in the western half of WI. Three of them are at La Crosse H-D. That doesn’t seem to be a huge amount of inventory to me.

As a 2019 CVO SG owner, I’ve been watching this forum closely for sumping reports and it seems there has been a marked decline between this time last year and now. I’m hoping that means the problem is being slowly mitigated. Whatever the case, sumping reports on the site seem to be on the decline based on my anecdotal analysis.




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No 19 CVO's on the floor at my local dealer, and only 10 or 11 2019 tour bikes on the floor.  They have sold two 2020 CVO trikes, and a 20 CVO Limited and a 20 CVO Street glide.

Yet no one on the forum is posting about there new 2020 CVO, usually several posts about new ones by now.
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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2019, 10:34:50 PM »

No 19 CVO's on the floor at my local dealer, and only 10 or 11 2019 tour bikes on the floor.  They have sold two 2020 CVO trikes, and a 20 CVO Limited and a 20 CVO Street glide.

Yet no one on the forum is posting about there new 2020 CVO, usually several posts about new ones by now.

Just a guess on why no 2020 posts yet.  When I bought my first CVO I heard about this forum from the dealer.  Considering for several years now what the average M8 post is - problems and troubles compounded by various dealer BS - am guessing not as many are directed here by dealers these days.  Eventually CVO buyers will find their way here anyway, from other forum members.  Of course I could be wrong.  :nixweiss:
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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2019, 08:40:14 PM »

Just a guess on why no 2020 posts yet.  When I bought my first CVO I heard about this forum from the dealer.  Considering for several years now what the average M8 post is - problems and troubles compounded by various dealer BS - am guessing not as many are directed here by dealers these days.  Eventually CVO buyers will find their way here anyway, from other forum members.  Of course I could be wrong.  :nixweiss:
I'm sure that is some.

Seems to me in years past, by now many existing forum members had bought new bikes, or were waiting on one.  Example in  15 and 17 several posts from members about new bikes in the first 3 or 4 weeks of release.
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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2019, 06:31:13 AM »

LOL the irony, now HD has them sorted, no one wants to buy !
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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2019, 09:34:02 AM »

There's an old saying, No news is good news. That very well may be the case in regards to the sumping issue and the 2020 Harley's. Once again Harley has made an oil pump change. Did they get it right this time? They have changed it so many times it has become a social media joke in the Harley groups. Maybe it's time to acknowledge that the sumping reports have all but vanished and look at what they actually changed this time. Here's some info a very good inside source shared with me. For 2020, the lobe count on the scavenge rotor has been reduced. The engineer claimed it changes the phasing of the suction pulse from the oil pump and the negative pressure in the crankcase when the pistons are going up. Apparently when these two opposite pulses get lined up together, the pump looses it's prime and starts to cavitate. Makes sense, but it almost sounds too simple. Same question, any confirmable reports of a 2020 sumping? Can I start doing big bore kits and cam installs again?

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Re: Any reports of 2020 sumping?
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2019, 11:53:28 AM »

Not to nit pick but that's not cavitation but certainly starving the scavenging intake is indeed what sounds like is happening on those sumping engines.  Hopefully they've got it sorted out and the new design is a direct retrofit into the older M8s.
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