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New HD Naked Sport Bike & Adventure Bike
« on: November 06, 2019, 12:58:07 PM »

HD showed its proposed adventure (Pan America) and naked sport (Bronx) bike at EICMA:



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Re: New HD Naked Sport Bike & Adventure Bike
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2019, 12:59:55 PM »

Bronx naked sport:
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Re: New HD Naked Sport Bike & Adventure Bike
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2019, 01:25:50 PM »

HD showed its proposed adventure (Pan America) and naked sport (Bronx) bike at EICMA:

I like the looks of the Pan America but I'm not sure I'd like riding it standing up all the time...that might get old quick  ;D :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :bananarock:
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Re: New HD Naked Sport Bike & Adventure Bike
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2019, 01:34:57 PM »

I like the looks of the Pan America but I'm not sure I'd like riding it standing up all the time...that might get old quick  ;D :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :bananarock:

I'd rather ride standing up than on a sport bike naked through the Bronx.     :drummer: :'( :drink: 8)
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2019, 01:47:16 PM »

I'd rather ride standing up than on a sport bike naked through the Bronx.     :drummer: :'( :drink: 8)

Yep...
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Re: New HD Naked Sport Bike & Adventure Bike
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2019, 02:53:04 PM »

Harley will have stiff competition in these two categories. There competitive advantage is the dealer network and brand name.

The big question; will traditional Harley customers buy a adventure bike? Will a traditional adventure bike rider that rides a BMW GS, KTM, Honda, Yamaha, on and on switch to the new Harley? Will Harley underprice there new bikes to buy market share? Will Harleys new Adventure bike be better than the competition in performance, handling, brakes, technology and features?

If the answer to these questions is probably not, how big will there market share be? Hopefully these won't be like the Livewire. A great electric bike but not competitive with those that have experience in this market.

In my opinion; Harley should spend R&D on there touring line, start with your top selling bikes, don't let Indian keep stealing sales. But what do I know

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Re: New HD Naked Sport Bike & Adventure Bike
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2019, 04:32:52 PM »

Here's my two cents to the MoCo on introducing a naked sport and adventure bike to their line up.  In order to peel away riders from established brands in those two categories, you've got to offer 1) something better and 2) at a lower price.  HD has never done that.  If what we saw with the Livewire is any indication, these bikes will be premium priced, so they'll have to outperform the field to sell.

Triumph, KTM, Ducati, BMW, and the metrics are all well established in these categories, so now is not the time for HD to fumble and get mediocre reviews on these bikes. 

 

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2019, 07:21:02 PM »

Yep...


Yep, for sure.  Indoobieably.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2019, 07:23:55 PM »

I still kick myself for not grabbing a Ulysses when the opportunity existed for less than 50% of sticker.  Too much of a concern over a total failure to being able to support and maintain the bike way too soon it was kept me from it.  At that price it could have been fun though.
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Re: New HD Naked Sport Bike & Adventure Bike
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2019, 08:39:32 PM »

Harley will have stiff competition in these two categories. There competitive advantage is the dealer network and brand name.

The big question; will traditional Harley customers buy a adventure bike? Will a traditional adventure bike rider that rides a BMW GS, KTM, Honda, Yamaha, on and on switch to the new Harley? Will Harley underprice there new bikes to buy market share? Will Harleys new Adventure bike be better than the competition in performance, handling, brakes, technology and features?

If the answer to these questions is probably not, how big will there market share be? Hopefully these won't be like the Livewire. A great electric bike but not competitive with those that have experience in this market.

In my opinion; Harley should spend R&D on there touring line, start with your top selling bikes, don't let Indian keep stealing sales. But what do I know

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I have been looking at an Adventure bike for two years now.  I have been putting some money away to try to get one with out getting rid of my CVO bikes.  I will be very interested in the Pan America if it is cost competitive with the GS, and is close in performance.  It's coming out about the same time as the Indian FTR adventure bike.  The FTR is a sweet machine, very nice motor, good suspension and electronics. 

HD has some very stiff competition in the Adventure market.
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Re: New HD Naked Sport Bike & Adventure Bike
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2019, 12:55:03 AM »

I have been looking at an Adventure bike for two years now.  I have been putting some money away to try to get one with out getting rid of my CVO bikes.  I will be very interested in the Pan America if it is cost competitive with the GS, and is close in performance.  It's coming out about the same time as the Indian FTR adventure bike.  The FTR is a sweet machine, very nice motor, good suspension and electronics. 

HD has some very stiff competition in the Adventure market.
Your right, very stiff. BMW sells more adventure bikes than any manufacturer in the world. The new 1250GS is something else, they say. They offer 4 GS models with additional options. Prices start around $6000 and go up from there.

Enough said, with many, many years perfecting Adventure bikes, how is Harley going to compete with BMW in this market? Let alone all the other fine brands.

I wish HD the best but really wonder what they are thinking. Like the Livewire???

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Re: New HD Naked Sport Bike & Adventure Bike
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2019, 08:15:03 AM »


Not terribly familiar with this type of bike, does a Naked Sport Bike mean you have to ride it naked?  Should we restrict it's sale to nubile women? 

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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2019, 08:28:00 AM »

Not terribly familiar with this type of bike, does a Naked Sport Bike mean you have to ride it naked?  Should we restrict it's sale to nubile women? 

Jerry :confused5:

Back in The Good Old Days, nekkid wimens were all over the place at bike rallies, including riding bikes.  Nowadays communities have fines for that kind of stuff & have squeezed some of the fun out of life.  At first was hopeful that this nekkid Harley was an attempt to return to when gals let it all hang out.  After reading a bit, it seems to be some newfangled bike deal for younger whippersnappers than me & the only thing naked that I can figure is their bank accounts after they buy one of these BMW wannabes.   :nixweiss:
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2019, 09:41:29 AM »

I have been looking at an Adventure bike for two years now.  I have been putting some money away to try to get one with out getting rid of my CVO bikes.  I will be very interested in the Pan America if it is cost competitive with the GS, and is close in performance.  It's coming out about the same time as the Indian FTR adventure bike.  The FTR is a sweet machine, very nice motor, good suspension and electronics. 

HD has some very stiff competition in the Adventure market.
I just bought a '17 Ducati Monster 1200S...used with 1,000 mi on the odometer and $4k worth of add-ons.  Looks brand new.  I'm not sure with the saturated used market I'd buy a new second or third bike...there are so many barely ridden bikes for sale.  I've thought about an adventure, but will look for that used low mileage crème-puff.     
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2019, 05:00:41 AM »

Like Forest always said ... "Stupid is as stupid does". I guess Mother Harley didn't learn after the Dudwire. Now they want to add a Dirt Glide and naked bike to the list?
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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2019, 05:17:08 AM »

Harley will be Harley, and will suffer their usual delusion of thinking people will pay silly prices.  Trouble is with these, there are so many established competitors whose prices will be a lot lower than Harley thinks they can charge.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2019, 12:42:38 PM »

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Back in The Good Old Days, nekkid wimens were all over the place at bike rallies, including riding bikes.  Nowadays communities have fines for that kind of stuff & have squeezed some of the fun out of life.

Oklahoma passed an equal rights law allowing women to be topless in any place that men are allowed to be topless! I just wish it only applied to nubile women!  Naked women riding naked bikes can stop at the dispensary and pick up their medical marijuana.
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2019, 01:40:51 PM »

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Back in The Good Old Days, nekkid wimens were all over the place at bike rallies, including riding bikes.  Nowadays communities have fines for that kind of stuff & have squeezed some of the fun out of life.

Oklahoma passed an equal rights law allowing women to be topless in any place that men are allowed to be topless! I just wish it only applied to nubile women!  Naked women riding naked bikes can stop at the dispensary and pick up their medical marijuana.
 People still refer to us as being the bible belt?
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2019, 08:25:27 PM »

If Mother Harley only had a brain they would drop the Dirt Glide and use that engine for baggers. They could make it more appealing to the eye and also match those torque #s to go with the 145 hp & MAYBE they might have a fighting chance against the Challenger .... I wouldn't hold my breath though.
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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2019, 10:43:56 AM »

Note to self:  Check out a bike rally In OK.  :drink:

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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2019, 10:44:59 AM »

And to think I would have missed this whole thread if the word naked had not been in the title
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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2019, 11:50:40 AM »

And to think I would have missed this whole thread if the word naked had not been in the title

Yes.  Good marketing, promise something and get the interest but then the thread didn't deliver.  ;D
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2019, 12:57:18 AM »

Harley is also getting back into the smaller bike market. They are teaming with a China bike manufacturer to build a 350cc bike. The frame and motor will come from the China manufacturer. Initially it only be sold in Asia, time will tell if it comes to the USA?

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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2019, 05:44:35 PM »

Harley is also getting back into the smaller bike market. They are teaming with a China bike manufacturer to build a 350cc bike. The frame and motor will come from the China manufacturer. Initially it only be sold in Asia, time will tell if it comes to the USA?

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If it comes to the U.S.!?!  Hell they, (HD) probably is all ready ordering up some more containers to go along with all the containers full of screaming eagle, shirts & parts already being shipped to us.  It might be cheaper for HD to buy their own ship by then!  ;)
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If it comes to the U.S.!?!  Hell they, (HD) probably is all ready ordering up some more containers to go along with all the containers full of screaming eagle, shirts & parts already being shipped to us.  It might be cheaper for HD to buy their own ship by then!  ;)
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2019, 02:26:00 PM »

Was trying to be nice :). Would think Harley would know selling a bike with a China motor and frame would be a flop in the USA. It could be a big seller in Asia, depending on the price.

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Understand, I couldn't resist the chance to poke some fun.  I hate the fact that nothing is built here anymore and all the companies blame it on being worldly when in fact it is just plain old profiteering.  Also, not to stray to far from the thread, I saw the naked bike at the LA show and in my opion (coming from & still owning sport bikes) its nice but looks like the rest and I / we know it will cost more and offer less in the spec department, so probably another Dudwire?  Now the Adventure bike (DirtGlide, love that name) is peeking my interest if with the v twin they keep it thin in width & keep the weight down casue that is my main complaint with the competition , to big and bulky.  I'm an old dirt bike guy also and don't want to ride a 600 pound monster in the dirt!
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2019, 03:04:46 PM »

Understand, I couldn't resist the chance to poke some fun.  I hate the fact that nothing is built here anymore and all the companies blame it on being worldly when in fact it is just plain old profiteering.  Also, not to stray to far from the thread, I saw the naked bike at the LA show and in my opion (coming from & still owning sport bikes) its nice but looks like the rest and I / we know it will cost more and offer less in the spec department, so probably another Dudwire?  Now the Adventure bike (DirtGlide, love that name) is peeking my interest if with the v twin they keep it thin in width & keep the weight down casue that is my main complaint with the competition , to big and bulky.  I'm an old dirt bike guy also and don't want to ride a 600 pound monster in the dirt!
Check out the BMW GS850. As you said, Harley has real competition today. They cannot rely on there brand loyal customers, they must actually compete.


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