Personally, if it were me, I would use the ZIppers conversion. Good money spent. www.zippersperformance.com
Rhino
Flatlander,
I've had the Zippers M&M conversion kit. In my experience I found it to be really just a Zippers version of M&M, not TRUE DELPHI. It came with a Zippers 50mm TB with air fillter, and fuel pressure regulator, and ECM. You have to cut up your fuel lines to make it work with the new fuel pressure regulator. None of their MAPS seemed to work right for me. Randy the sales guy blamed it on my FullSac exhaust, which he called "Homemade". Dan Fitmaurice, the company president and chief tech guy said it was the exhaust too. He couched his words a bit nicer, and said it was because they have never mapped a bike with FullSac before. The bike ran poorly so they sent me to a dyno tuner. He kept the bike for three days. When I got it back it ran much better than before, but the mpgs were in the low to mid 20s. On top of that the turn signals still did not work properly. Dan suggested I be patient and wait until the new M&M unit with auto-tune came out sometime in the next 4-6 months. However, since I use my bike everyday, I teach MSF and Ride Like a Pro, waiting 4-6 months was not an option. In my situation patience was really not a virture I could espouse. I live where I can ride and teach riding year around, so I need a good running fully functioning bike for my livelyhood. Perhaps if my bike is was a trailer queen, garage goddess, or weekend toy, waiting 4-6 months for Dan and Zippers would not have been an issue for me.
So I cut off all the brackets that mount the M&M ECM and coil, and had a metal worker fabricate new brackets and mounts. Then I bought a Delphi coil, and a Thayer harness to convert the bike to TRUE DELPHI. Then I bought the Zippers DELPHI kit with auto-tune and installed it. The bike runs like it should, like ALL T-Max auto-tune bikes do. Granted I would like to see mpgs in the high 30 low 40 range, but according to some, I should accept 30mpg because the bike finally runs better than ever. However the turn signals still do not work.
Flatlander, today might be your lucky day. According to Dan Fitzmaurice, Zippers now has the M&M T-Max with auto-tune available. Dan says it works just like the Delphi unit and I am sure it does, so that might be the way to go. However don't expect it to be a direct ECM swap out like everyone else. The bad news is that you still need to buy their TB and aircleaner. The way Randy explained it to me when I bought mine was that the ECM "looks" for the Zippers TB. If it does not see it, it won't work. The good news is that you get to keep you M&M mounting brackets, coil, and coil mounts. No cutting and fabricating for you!
I have not heard of anyone who has bought one of the M&M T-Max with auto-tune kits yet so we do not have a track record to refer you to. You may want to bite the bullet, and "take one for the team" and buy it and try it. If you do, keep us posted on what happens every step of the way. You may want to check on their return policy too. When I bought mine it was a 30 day no question return policy. However when I first tried to return mine, Randy said he could only take the ECM. He said he could freshen the ECM up and re sell it, but that the TB and airfilter were considered "used" and as such not returnable, so I would have to eat that. Later, when I continued to have problems with my turn signals, they finally offered to buy it all back no questions asked. However, by then I had too much into the bike, new harness, new coil, etc. Plus, with the new mounting brackets, there was no way I could remount my OEM ECM and coil back on the bike.
If you are serious about going CARB, over on the MSN Harley Tech Talk website, there is a thread that outlines every part abd fitting that you will need to buy to make the conversion. Lots of riders have used that thread, and the support of the members there help them to do it themselves.
I just noticed that you have a 2001. Mine is a 2001 as well, and according to Dan Fitmaurice, the 2001 is a "one off, one of kind". It's the only one that causes turn signal problems. He says their new M&M T-Max with auto-tune is now configured to resolve the turn signal problem, so if you buy it, it they may work just fine. Dan says they are continuing to work on a resolution to my turn signal problem, and I know they will do it eventually. It will probably take them a minimum of 1-2 years to do it, but that is to be expected.
I wish I could tell you more, but right now it looks like your only options are to go with the Zippers M&M T-Max with auto-tune which no one has tried yet, or go with the carb set up that everyone on the MSN Harley Tech Talk raves about.
Good luck and keep us posted.
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